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Comment by Beska

Evidently (since it's not on any currently killable boss' loot table, including the penultimate boss), it drops from Kil'jaeden, the last boss in the Sunwell Plateau. Other weapons suggested to drop from him include:
Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury,
Apolyon, the Soul-render,
Golden Staff of the Sin'dorei,
Sunflare
Crux of the Apocalypse.

Comment by xaedyn

Quite possibly the best 1 hand weapon for hunters. Having 2 of them, both with 10 agi gems and 20 agi enchants, gives you 96 agi, 30 stam, 120 attack power and 54 haste rating, which is beyond amazing.

Comment by Paulosio

Without wanting to turn wowhead into thottbot (but you've already done that)... any guild with enough synergy to down KJ would give this to a hunter because rogues don't use daggers in end game PVE because swords are far superior. Even blizz have said that daggers need some changes to make them viable in PVE... unfortunately that is unlikely to happen before WOTLK.

So ye any guild able to down KJ will give these to a hunter.... just like they do with shiv of exsanguination from the twin eredars. I have 2x shiv of exsanguination on my hunter because I was the only person who wanted them... the rogues in my guild are smart enough not to waste their DKP on something that is useless to them outside of PVP

Sorry to inform you but end game raiding guilds focus on what's beneficial to their raid progression and not what might be useful to someone for a few weeks till they get their season 4 weapons.

Comment by Thunderstruck05

2 of these would be killer for a Mutilate rogue.

Comment by Corbon

Too bad dagger specs suck for PvE, so it's highly likely that this weapon will go to a Hunter. Wake up, dude.

Comment by Rexz

Jamie, if you look at the Mainhand glaive, you will see that it have a better base damage value than the dagger here. This mean sword rogues will still be able to do more yellow damage and probably more overall damage in the end due to just the higher base damage.

214 - 398 from the glaive versus 164 - 274 from the dagger

If you know how Sinister Strike work and where it accumulated it's power from, you would understand it more clearly. Same with hemo.

here's the quotes from WoWwiki
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sinister_Strike#Tips

It is recommended that you use a slow, hard-hitting weapon in your main hand when using Sinister Strike, as the damage from Sinister Strike is calculated from a range between your weapon's minimum and maximum damage.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Hemorrhage#Thinking_of_speccing_Hemorrhage.3F

If you plan to use Hemorrhage always look for the weapon that has the highest average damage that you can obtain. If you are making a choice, choose the weapon with the best average damage.

Needless to say, the mainhand warglaive will still be one of the best weapon around for a sword rogue due to it's incredibly slow speed for a 1h weapon (which mean it will have a higher min+max range for the weapon damage, your sinister strike or Hemo will be a lot stronger with it).

As of right now, I do not have the dagger and the sword to compare it using spreadsheet, but hypothetically speaking, the mainhand glaive still should contain the best over all dps for a sword rogue. In conclusion, the legendary glaive shouldn't be beaten by this dagger, as others can still draw a lot of power from the way it is design to boost SS and Hemo damage. The dagger however, would be an interesting weapon for all the dagger spec'd rogues out there. I do not play a dagger rogue so i have no idea how it will do, but looking at this it look like it'd make a fine weapon for any dagger rogue out there.

Comment by AMIB

This item is particularly poor. Few characters in a guild killing Kil'jaeden will want this item over the alternatives.

Rogues are largely using swords or sword/fist at this level of play. Muramasa paired with Dragonscale-Encrusted Longblade or Warglaives of Azzinoth are the weapons of choice for sword rogues.

Hunters are well-catered to in Sunwell weapon-wise, and will prefer Shivering Felspine or a brace of Shivs of Exsanguination.

Enhancement shamans have long abandoned daggers due to Windfury, Flurry, and Stormstrike issues, and fury warriors avoid daggers because of how Flurry and Whirlwind work.

Ultimately, this dagger suits only the oddball combat daggers or mutilate rogue, an unlucky hunter, or a fury warrior in search of a fast weapon for Executing. A disappointing drop for any guild killing the last boss in the game, to be sure.

Comment by 160012

I dont know about "direct upgrade on every stat". If we break down the stats (assuming that all sockets are filled with +10agi gems and are enchanted with either +20agi for the Crux's and +35agi for the Polearm, the stats look as follows:

Crux x2
96 AGI
120 AP
54 Haste
30 Stam

Shivering Felspine
97 AGI
124 AP
53 Haste

So, they are very similar. As I said, the only real difference is the +30stam and the fact you can use 2 oils. Im not trying to say that either of those things are bad, but I would not consider either to be a huge upgrade by itself. Its nice to have, but more of the sprinkles on the cake (as opposed to the icing).

Comment by kriS411

As a hunter:
2x https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34197 would be slightly better but if those won't drop Crux is a good alternative.

Its an upgrade to any other available melee weapons like https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=33389, https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32248 and https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34183

If noone wants at and you aren't already dual-wielding Shivs I advice to take it.

Comment by 139482

It is impossible for a hunter to be armor capped against a 7700 armor raid boss. Even with procs and on use trinkets. Using the following set-up:

Cloak: Dory's Embrace
Chest: Shadowtooth Trollskin Cuirass
Boots: Gronnstalker's Boots
Ring 1: Band of Ruinous Delight
Ring 2: Angelista's Revenge
Gloves: Thalssian Ranger Gauntlets
Helm: Coif of Alleria
Legs: Leggings of the Immortal Night
Main Hand: Hand of the Deceiver
Off Hand: Boundless Agony
Necklace: Choker of Serated Blades
Ranged: Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas
Shoulders: Mantle of the Golden Forest
Belt: Gronnstalker's Belt
Bracer: Gronnstalker's Bracers
Trinket 1: Madness of the Betrayer 300 ArP on proc
Trinket 2: Icon of Unyielding Courage 600 ArP on use

The above leaves us at a total of 3109 from items. Now for abilities.

Curse of Recklessness = 800 ArP
Faerie Fire = 610 ArP
Improved Exposed Armor = 3075 ArP

So we get 4485 from spells and abilities. 4485 + the 3109 from items = 7594 armor. Thus we are 106 ArP of being capped against a typical 7700 armor raid boss.

I did not include sunder armor because improved expose armor does more and they do not stack. 5 stacks of sunders is 2600 armor, which would lower the total amount of ArP to 7119.

Another thing to keep in mind is that this list is using low level items that any respectable raider that that level should not be using.

Comment by 168924

You all seem to be forgetting one spec/class who would absoluteley kill for this dagger, ambush specced subelty rogues. They may not be quite as popular, but they're there in pvp and pve. And I myself as one, am quite capable of topping the damage charts in a raid group, so let that myth that they suck begone.

Comment by 217559

really? all end game rogues dont use daggers? well sinse patch 2.4 you realize combat mutilate is only .5% behind combat swords on a SPREAD SHEET, this does not take into account a players skill either, which can over come the .5% math. combat mutilate has become completely raid viable, and has become competative dps vs combat swords. if u got 2 of these(they one hand non unique) u would rape as mutilate, nuff said.

Comment by speedhaxu

The highest dps weapon in the game, besides the ones from The Eye, which you cant keep.

Edit: Highest dps Onehand, not mainhand or offhand

Comment by 4299

In Wrath BETA I'm using an unenchanted Boundless Agony and +20 agility Dagger of Bad Mojo and have beaten Warglaive rogues in DPS during instances I've ran. I could only imagine the numbers I would be putting up with these.

And yes, this is after the Mutilate nerf and Combat buff.

Comment by 219769

You can chit chat about rogues and mutilate all you want.

But by far 2 of these daggers is the best possible weapon choice for a survival hunter. The obviously higher agility over the Felspine aside considering Sunwell geared Beast Master hunters can run into over haste problems with cooldowns and consumables and start clipping their auto shots with their steady's if they arent careful effectively wasting haste it has to be more carefully managed and ARP becomes more desireable for a well geared BM hunter.

SV hunters on the other hand, aside from the high agi desires. Haste can play a much more desireable role as they have a lot more flexibility without Serpentine Swiftness talent as well as with a high enough haste an SV hunter can drop out of a common 3:2 or 1:1.X rotation into a 1:1 rotation which offers a much higher mana efficiency of an otherwise slightly more mana dependant spec. Which can greatly increase their dps potential. So the fact that these daggers still have the same AP, same haste rating of the Felspine (well technically 1 point more haste) and have more overall agility and the stamina is a nice bonus these make a clear winner for any SV hunter.

Comment by 153459

The difference in stats between two of these and a Shivering Felspine are fairly small.

What it does give you is extra stamina, which is always welcome considering the massive amounts of raid damage taken in Sunwell boss fights, and also the ability to use two different weapon oils at the same time.

Also, unlike a polearm these don't disappear when you attack with a bow =D But maybe that's just a troll hunter thing...

Comment by djspawny

the best dagger in TBC

Comment by 318904

It's my favourite weapon.But it needs critical strike!So,it's not the best weapon of Burning crusade but it's powerfull!

Comment by 363550

The person who says that these are better for hunters THAN for rogues must obviously lack skills and knowledge in wow. Now the dagger gives 88 ap and 18 agi that's 212/14 = 15.1 dps for both. Considering hunters should do at least 800 dps at level 70, you can figure how valuable these items really are...

Comment by AMIB

This dagger wasn't much use to anyone when 2.4 hit. It was mostly used as a second-choice hunter weapon.

Rogues favored sword-specialization or fist/sword-specialization (fist in the mainhand, sword in the offhand) Combat builds, as both Dagger Specialization Combat (known as "combat daggers" or "backstab combat") and Mutilate were suffering from poor DPS and positioning requirements.

Beast Mastery hunters (the prevailing single-target DPS spec of the time) were running up against a hard haste cap and thus preferred Shivering Felspine or a brace of Shivs of Exsanguination, and Survival hunters favored Shivering Felspine, which was comparable. Cruxes were used as filler for hunters who didn't have a Felspine or both of their arpen daggers.

Fury warriors and enhancement shamans of the time weren't using daggers at all. Then as now, both favored slow weapons that didn't suffer from the dagger normalization penalty on instant attacks.

So, at the time, it was mostly a toy, to fool around with Mutilate in PVP (a big-damage, low-mobility/survivability spec at the time) or to fill in a gap for a hunter who didn't have one of the other Sunwell weapons.

After 3.0 came, Mutilate was much-buffed, armor penetration was much-nerfed, and suddenly Crux was the BIS weapon for the top-DPS rogue spec. While it would be a bit later that theorycrafting would settle on fast/fast daggers for PVE Mutilate (at the time, most rogues were still going slow/whatever, following from 2.4 Muti thinking) this was a quite viable choice for either hand.

Since WOTLK release up to now (3.1.2), Crux of the Apocalypse is irreplaceable for a leveling mutilate rogue until you start getting level 78 drops, from non-heroic level 80 dungeons. It's on par with ilevel 174-175 blue-quality daggers, such as from group quests in Icecrown or from Amphitheater of Anguish, and exceeded by drops from level 80 non-heroic dungeons. Hunters will also benefit from it, but will likely replace it with Icier Barbed Spear from Amphitheater of Anguish.

Comment by 526638

What is best to use as a 70 rogue.....dual-wield theese or both warglaives?
cuz im not sure cuz rogue need daggers to do backstab and ambush plz help?

Comment by 355492

Gorgeous dagger. FYI- You CAN transmog this over a main-hand dagger (yay casters). If there's rogues in your group they will probably try to lie and say you can't

Comment by Sundridge

As for lvl 70 twink arenas concerned this dagger will be best in slot. Not only because the damage but also the extra red slot which you can put agility gem. Which is better than having a main hand warglaive in my opinion.

Comment by Allakhazam

Ok, how is it nobody has noticed this is an UBER ambush rogue dagger? I can't image the crits a well spec'd subtlety rogue could average on his/her ambushes and backstabs with this beast... good stuff...

On the warglaive vs this note... warglaives a sword (great for combat rogues) while this is a dagger... (VERY useful to a subtlety rogue since u can't ambush with a sword).. they're just different - different weps for different uses...

Comment by Thottbot

Drops from Kil'Jaeden and looks quite well for a rogue ;)

first btw :p

Comment by Thottbot

Second! Definetly good for a rogue :)

Comment by Thottbot

2 posts and no #$%^&*!s saying they want it yet? Crazzzzy stuff

They do put a lot of nice daggers on bosses for rogues... possibly too many in fact, daggers seem to have become a way of saying "I have nurfed myself in pvp for pve" so I guess blizzard is just trying to keep us dagger spec'd rogues happy

Comment by Thottbot

Lol mb hunters want 1h-weapons because Rogues and Warriors also steal our crossbows and guns?

Comment by Thottbot

this is a hunters weapon!....we need to dual wield this cuz it makes us happy....there ya go d00mcaster....i got ur back!

Comment by Thottbot

why is this better than warglaive of azzinoth?

Comment by Thottbot

the warglaive set is why they are the best dps weapons in game, if you had no warglaives then KJ fist weapon with something like a brutal glad quickblade or BoS offhand would be better. this is still pretty good for Cdag/mut but both are just sub-par specs anymore for endgame.

it depends wether or not Shiv of Exsanguination stats would be greater to a hunter (im betting crux is probably better, but im not a hunter)

i play a rogue live, have done full bt/kalecgos, and can say that this could be a hunter item, but id sure use it for mutilate for kicks

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Crux of the Apocalypse

Item Level 164
Binds when picked up

One-Hand	Dagger

164 - 247 Damage	Speed 1.80

(114.17 damage per second)
+18 Agility
+43 Stamina

Red Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Attack Power

Durability 75 / 75

Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves haste rating by 27.

Sell Price: 15 52 99

Dropped by: Kil'jaeden

Drop Chance: 14.97%

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