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Minicandy
Personally, i'd go for
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40684
it's just better imo. More crit, and the win proc.
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Maxlock
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40684
way better
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svl007
how about you run the numbers yourself, bc without taking your gear in consideration no one can give serious answers to this one since both are rather close.
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t53615-unholy_gains_shadow_death_unholy_dps_discussion_now_more_3_2_a/
you'll find the stat weights here.
fury = 320AP
mirror = 84crit rating + 1000AP*(10/x)
where x is ICD (45sec) + average time it takes you to proc it (that's after ICD finished)
in my experience x is a value around 55, meaning that even with BiS ulduar gear fury is better. mind you dps is an os for me, so with better gear the value of x will decrease aswell.
all this leads to fury being the better one under 2 conditions:
the fight is long enough, bc in short fights (trash) mirror will have a much higher uptime bc of the ICD being able to go away between each pack of trash
the fight allows for you to keep fury stacks up, so in high mobility fights you probably better of with mirror
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svl007
People aren't look at the longview of this, and I'm aside from her raving fanbase - Lynri isn't the final word in things, as I'm still waiting for her to prove several of my points in several threads wrong.
Oh wait, she ignored them until they were buried.
Anyways; both are useful for different things; Fury of the Five Flights is more or less guaranteed to proc and stay proc'd; every hit after 20 stacks refreshes the stack. The mirror can proc and create a nasty short term burst, but it's a unreliable random proc attatched to ANOTHER random proc.
It's 320 passive AP, that's like basically another 2h weapon's worth of AP damage that's constant. In a long fight where burst isn't going to mean jack, Like Loatheb for example; the Fury wins hands down, in most fights it will because you can quickly get it to 20 stacks for a passive, direct boost to AP which is modified by Abomination's Might/Unleashed Rage.
Now on the other side the mirror only procs off of
Critical Hits.
Automatically you should see why the fury is superior.
You've got from a chance at 1000 AP for 10 seconds or 352 (With Abom. Might) passive AP for as long as you are hitting the target.
Clearly if you have it, use the Fury. It's a direct, point-for-point DPS increase over the mirror in every possible way.
math is how you compare 2 trinkets, not by strong words who aren't backed up by anything.
also mirrors AP is altered by abomination's might aswell, so that's just a moot point.
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svl007
also mirrors AP is altered by abomination's might aswell, so that's just a moot point.
You used the term "In my experience" to account for a variable. You're not using math, you're using an opinion.
I gave my opinion as well, with common sense to back it up, not a pretend attempt at an equation.
Not to mention we both told him the same thing, you're just sounding miffed I figured it out without mathhammering the problem.
If the fight lasts longer then a trashpull the fury's going to win out.
lol, i got that variably by wacking on a test dummy for 20min with a feral druid standing afk next to me for the 5% crit. that's what i mean with in my experience. bc the value will be different for someone in full ulduar BiS bc he'll have more crit then me, therefor proccing the effect faster after the ICD ended.
if anything i'm sad ppl post an answer without backing it up, i couldn't care less if you figured it out without math which to me means nothing, that's just guessing.
also a blood dk reading your post might assume the same applies to him, while from reading mine and applying the same logic he'd notice the difference is minimal and with increasing gear mirror will actually surpass fury and it certainly isn't worth spending any dkp on fury/needing it over another melee dps.
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