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Why DK's are OP and a balanced fix.
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Coaldog
A class that has been around for what, 6 months, is 3rd on the most...
9 months, soon to be a year. I agree though, CoI needs to be fixed.
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Lightrain
- Gargoyle needs to be reachable(they are fixing it). A flying pet that does more damage than any other pet in the game during it's untouchable burst and seemingly has no range or LoS limitations.
- CoI needs to be a SLOW, not a snare. Slower than 50% in any way, shape or form is OP for a melee dps, especially when you can cast it every 5 seconds and keep anyone under 50% speed. If they want to keep it the same, the cost needs to be increased to 2 Frost runes. Maybe a slow with it's current cost, glyphed to what it is now with the cost increased to 2 runes.
- Pet stun is retarded, and not on a global cooldown because it's a pet ability. If they want to give it this ability, it needs to be killable. Not an instant cast res with minimal cost and a renewable CD.
- Desecration isn't needed if CoI is changed to a slow. It's retarded to have a slowing AoE effect that can be stacked on top of an AoE damage effect, both of which have MINIMAL to no cost.
- Disease durations are WAY too long. Shorten them. It's not like they aren't being refreshed at 1/4 to 1/2 duration anyways..
-Gargoyle needs to be reachable - * Fixed*, 1 less QQ
-CoI doesnt need to be a slow, casting 1 CoI uses 50% of our frost runes, which means MUCH less damage (1-2 less "8k SS, Oblit, or DS" and throwing off the damage rotation)
-Desecration - put in so that DKs arnt kited so easily, sadly, we still are. it does almost nothing
-Disease durations - look at a warlock's dots? they use dots for damage, we need our diseases for damage.
You sound like you are QQing. We already established that your CoI argument is
invalid
, and you need to read the thread. You aren't kited by anything other than a KITING class(that's their purpose retard), and you still have all the cooldowns to manage them as well without CoI.
Desecration is retarded. It doesn't cost anything, has no cooldown other than the abilities cooldown. It's too easily spammed and screws anyone trying to kill a ret/dk/rest druid team.
-Disease durations - look at a warlock's dots?
You.... seriously.... fail.... And most warlock DoT's don't last 20 seconds(I'm not sure if
ANY
warlock DoT's last 20 seconds, even glyphed). Don't compair yourself to a DoT class when you already have the advantage over them.
I can't say anything else about this, because, it's..... that.... fail...... /wrists
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Taynlord
howdy, this is lightrain's druid's prot pally...and i just gotta ask..are there any dks in this forum who have a 1800 plus rating? All classes with furious weapons do insane amount of burst. Dks are the worst to me as a pally healer cause DKs have so much interrupt. DKs that actually know how to play are deadly and way too op. me and shiftwerx(light's druid) are 2k plus running 2 comps you hardly see. prot/feral and then prot/feral/war. i enjoy the fact i got my shoulders running a non cookie cutter comp. and light mentioned this i have been dropped by dk's in 10 seconds.(28k hp as prot! and 700 res furious/deadlygear) after my bubble is on cd of course. to those who say the pet is worthless its not. its an interrupt like light said not on the dk's gcd. its horrible to a pally healers with no hots. then add 10 sec 6 sec silence, with strangulate on top of that, oh and lets say that dk has a prot pally healer, shield me, stun me. luckly light is very good on his feral and is good at pill offs so i dont die and we actually have good luck against dk/healer(dk/resto is another league cause its crazy op)
oh and before someone says prot healer is op. dps/heals vs restodruid/dk. dk bursts on dps, strangs heals. and then resto druid cyclone spams healer..if anything thats worse. and ill say again. kiting makes prot pally healing hard. so l2 to los and move away from the prot pally.
the coi thing doesnt really kill my comp(shifts/freedoms) so dont say light is qq'ing cause he cant beat dk's. but shift does go oom in long fights making so many powershifts while freedom is on cd.
and i play a feral too. i just started playing feral/priest. and there coi is horrible. when his healer is los drinking. the dk can keep me and the priest away from healer. i try to cyclone dk i get mind froze or pet stunned(barkskin has to used when stunned and healer is cc'd) when im trying to dps the healer. I CANT. the priest can dispell and i can powershift. but its still a second to get out and thats all the healer needs to kite away. and the dk can keep spamming it till his healer is back up. and then healer kites through descration. u cant catch him. so it leaves u to dps dk. and if dk is low and not getting heals. sac pet, chain spam you and kite you around. if we win its cause we got enough burns on heals and pray to god we were able to stop one or two drinks. we wont kill either of them if healer has mana and healing. even with cc. if i have that much trouble to keep up with a dk in that case. how does a team that cant freedom or powershift outa coi fare?
and the balanced fixes light mentions in the first post would it really be that bad? good dks wouldnt suffer and the bad dk's would have to learn how to play with skill. good dks are hard to kill, can survive too long cause their defensive cds>everyone's else. shiftwerx can go bear form...his damage gets raped. and we dont kill anything. dk can still pressure the other teams healer in frost pres. and ill say again. dks in higher bracket are crazy op. and dont think im qq'ing. im pointing out facts. and ill point out we are 2k and are talking bout dk's who figured out how to play their class and are hard to beat. so to any dk people who are going to reply to this. dont unless you at LEAST 1700 plus cause if ur not that high u either A) havent learned how to play a dk or B) have a bad teammate or C) have a bad comp to begin with..and hell that may not be enough...
my old 2s partner i hit 1850 with was a dk..and he sucks. he never used pestilence complained non stop dk's are UnderPowered always thought we were going to loose till i yelled for him to stfu and play oh he left his pet on auto stun(thats huge fail) he's played wow since the start. he was on a war in bc and never made it above 1600. and then last season he couldnt make it over 1700 as dk. this season he got some gear and had me to carry him, i even came back to wow just to play with him ( i quit at the end of s5 and had no plans to come back till he spammed me non stop on msn. i did carry him i told him what to do and when to do it, and i dont care if he sees this. he left me at 1850 after 3 games cause he didnt think we'd hit 2k for a resto druid...another note that team is op..this dk is horrible..i mean a horrible player sides an op class. and played with a really good resto druid and hit 2050.
but yeah still if ur not a highrated dk please dont reply. and even then i dont really much respect for you. sorry.
(oh and before you say im a pally and im op..i already stated how prot pallies arent op. yes pally/dk was op last season(i played it up to 1970 and HATED the comp cause it was so easy) i played holy pally in bc and did 1800 with it as a gimped class. and i agree ret is op everyone knows that. even rets.(notice they arent qq'ing they getting nerfed slightly dks are having a @#$% storm over MINOR nerfs in pvp)but hey im not ret. and the majority of high rated pallies 2s and 3s my bg are ret.)
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Badguy
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Taynlord
lol i really dont care if u read or not. not going to effect my day. just saying my thoughts on the subject
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Lightrain
Hehe, well, if you read the wall, it's valid.
Tayn, bro, use small sentences for the guys that can't comprehend those.
To further the valuable info there, shifting out of snares is a feral only ability that helps to an extreme against DK's. Burst against a DK is MAJORLY assisted with HoF. What does that mean? A ret will usually use HoF to get burst down. If he doesn't have HoF ready for when the pet stun and CoI spamming comes in, he won't get the kill unless he has a really big weapon.
For priest/rogue, I really don't see how they can do much against dk/healer unless they can nuke the healer, then work the DK down without heals.
You really can't kill a DK who has a moderate amount of gear without Furious or equivalent weaps as a rogue, not to mention as a warrior or ret who can't control a DK the same way.
TBH, I feel sorry for any team going against a DK without a paladin's Freedom.
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Post by
Lightrain
first off.. i find it kinda hard to beleive that you die in 10 seconds .. (sacred shield and all that parry/block/dodge) and if you dont see a burst coming and just hammer of justice them there is something wrong. and of course your more saseptable to silences then other healers stop ur qq... u dont even go deep holy for the "immune to silence" CD... OR HOLY SHOCK... ya cant interupt instants >_>.... how can even pretend you have the right to qq against burst or silences... AS A PALLY xD maybe the most anti burst healer in the game and 2nd most anti silence/interupt...
and if its becuase of ur spec... whos fault is that?
You can't HOJ when he's on IBF or AMS. And I can't peal them if they pop them.
The DK also has a trinket.
Prot healers do have Aura Mastery, try checking the spec.
TBH, the fact that he's so durable should tell you how easy it should be to kill a Holy paladin who doesn't reduce the damage so much. Holy paladins have only the advantage of being able to heal a bit while mobile. The problem with this? Uh, desecration, pet stun, and the fact that you can't in any way, shape, or form kite/LoS the stupid gargoyle.
I don't think DK's have much of an issue killing paladins. They have more than enough tools to demolish a paladin in any healing spec simply because they can't actually get any full heals out, and holy shock, while powerful, is being held to a much too high standard by you idiots that don't know what PvP healing as a paladin means. You only lengthen your life with holy shock, you can't stay alive with only holy shock. It doesn't work that way.
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