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Macro that will: Convert to Raid and make me ML
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Post by
Kopec
Why? Press "o" and go to the raid tab. Then hit the red button in the top that says convert to raid. It will make you raid leader, which is even better.
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Post by
RedwoodElf
I've never even run a raid before myself..."Master looter" sounds like it's a heck of a lot of work, deciding who gets every single item in a raid...When I start raiding, if I'm the raid leader, I plan to leave it on the default settings...that way, no one can accuse me of ninja-ing the really nice item when it drops.
I mean, if I'm, say, a hunter with Master Looter set, I really don't think I would be able to resist just grabbing
this bow
if it drops...
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Post by
RedwoodElf
When I start raiding, if I'm the raid leader, I plan to leave it on the default settings...that way, no one can accuse me of ninja-ing the really nice item when it drops.
I mean, if I'm, say, a hunter with Master Looter set, I really don't think I would be able to resist just grabbing
this bow
if it drops...
god... i hope you never lead my raid XD lol
So YOU would trust a ML hunter you don't know to give you a chance to get an epic he can use then? The whole concept of Master Looter just seems risky to me...if you don't want to just roll for items, sounds like you're on the side of the ninja looters...
Post by
Wanderingfox
Believe it or not, rolling is actually a
larger
source of ninja looting that ML is. Sure, the master looter can ninja everything and run off, but that's only
one
person with that power. There is absolutely nothing stopping EVERY rogue in your raid from rolling on Thori'dal if it drops if you have it on roll.
Besides, master looter is there to
speed up
raids by allowing one person to handle all of the looting of items above a given rarity. That means while this one person is dealing with rolls and handing out loot, the other 24 people in the raid can be off clearing trash to the next boss.
It really comes down to whether or not you want to trust one person not to screw it up, or if you want to put your faith in the entire raid not being greedy/misrolling/etc.
Post by
RedwoodElf
Isn't it a bit tedious though? with all the chatter there must be in a raid, trying to keep your eye on what people are /roll-ing for items, instead of letting the game handle it automatically...and it has to be the most thankless job in the game if done right, and a source of massive trouble if abused...
Post by
Wanderingfox
That depends on how you handle it. If you're talking about pugs, set the threshold to rare and you'll only have to deal with boss loot (2-3 /rolls per boss down). I've
never
had issues with not being able to tell who's won something (other than a tie) you just have to limit the amount of time people have to respond, and if they aren't paying attention it's their own fault.
In guilds, that shouldn't be an issue at all since you can simply remove the people who are disruptive.
Is it tedious? It's certainly more so than group loot, but being able to
precisely
control where the loot goes is imperative if you're using a loot system (like epgp, zerosum, suicide kings, etc.).
Post by
RedwoodElf
Is there an addon out there that keeps track of, for example, how many times a particular character "Passes" on loot, and give them bonus points that a master looter could use to help decide?
For example, if a hunter passes on EVERYTHING in a Sunwell raid, he could get a bonus for the bow if that's the only thing he wants?
Post by
Wanderingfox
There are dozens of different loot systems out there.
The system you're describing would be similar to the suicide kings system that I mentioned in my previous post. In SK, you generate lists of people for groups of items (set tokens, weapons, cross-class stuff, etc.) There are several ways to generate these initial lists, but once they're created, whenever someone on the list takes an item they 'suicide' down to the bottom of the list. It essentially becomes a giant line for loot, except that a person can pass on an item and retain their position in line.
There is also EPGP, for example, which works by using a ratio of a person's participation in relation to the amount of gear they've taken. Every time a player participates in a boss kill (or an hour of progression wiping or something similar) that person is awarded X effort points (EP). Every time that player takes an item they're given Y number of gear points (GP). To determine what player gets any given piece of loot, you take their EP and divide it by their GP which gives you a ratio. The player with the highest ratio is the person that gets the item. (both EP and GP are reduced by Z% at the start of every raid so as to prevent point hoarding).
Another popular system is called ZeroSUM, which is exactly what the name suggests. Player's pay X points for an item, and when item is purchased those X points are divided amongst everyone who participated in the kill that dropped the item. In this way, the entire sum of all the points in the system is zero, but people who are present but don't take loot will have a more positive point value than someone who takes a lot of loot, which in turn means they have a higher priority.
Lastly, there is DKP which is essentially a point buy system. Killing bosses awards you DKP which you then spend on items in either a bidding war against other players or by paying a specific amount.
Post by
RedwoodElf
So that's what the song
MC Raiders
is talking about when the guy says "I'm NOT wasting DKP on that piece of crap!"
Post by
pelf
We ML our raids. The DKP bids have to go out, one item to one senate member. That senator determines who wins under the rules, reports it to raid and the ML loots the items. While that's going on, after the normal members have sent their bids out, the raid continues clearing to the next boss and those people catch up when the looting is done. It's pretty structured with a lot of guidelines. I think it's one of the better-executed DKP systems I've experienced.
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Post by
pelf
Nobody mentioned loot council, not exactly sure how it works but I know it gives the loot to the person
who it would benefit the most
.
Per the definition of the people making the decision. Requires everyone in the raid to trust the council having their best interests in mind. Depends on the guild and the people -- my first major guild used loot council and it worked reasonably well for them.
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