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Post by
Blackboy0
Notice I said
I don't give a crap what
other people
are "theorizing" is happening with the Old Gods and them waking up and crap.
Who said I don't give a crap what
I
theorize? =P
Post by
Adamsm
Well here's the thing then Slaman, how did Yogg affect the Shadow Council Orc's on Draenor when they set up the spells on Garona? Aren't the flashback's in Yogg's room just suppose to so show the insanity of the world, not just the things the Death Lord had a tentacle in?
Post by
Septimus
Adamsm I would like to hear your take on the Dead Goliaths.
And to Blackboy0 even if they were just personally transformed Highborne how did they get so big and why are they in Desolace?
Post by
Blackboy0
And to Blackboy0 even if they were just personally transformed Highborne how did they get so big and why are they in Desolace?
Well, Desolace was once a home to the Highbourne Night Elves:
Proud, but sorrowful ruins of stone attest to the one-time glory of the Highborne night elves. Blasted in the depths of time by the shockwaves of the Great Sundering, the ruins are inhabited now by all manner of foul creatures.
Source
Maybe when the Highborne inhabited the area, or maybe after, those two were morphed? Or maybe when the Highborne became Naga, those 2 Dead Goliaths came back to try and see if their once-great city was still standing.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, honestly never noticed them before, the Dead Goliaths, but I hate Desolace so I just do the necessary quests for Loremaster and the Argent Dawn rep then get the heck out of there. Just checked out the stuff, and for all we know the goliaths could be early versions of the Naga Anomaly's the Old God/God's who offered Aszhara and the Highbourne who sunk with the city the naga curse/chance at life. They might have been the first versions of creatures like High Warlord Naj'entus, and ended up getting smoked by one of the Dragon Flight's when they first showed up.
Hopefully if/when the Maelstorm comes around, we'll be able to see more about these things, if they are part of the Naga race. Otherwise the Goliath's might just be mutates that popped up over the course of 11 thousand years heh.
Post by
GinjaNinja
In regards to the 2 Goliaths, what if they were servants of C'thun, they set out from Silithus to do some evil doings and met up with a Titan, the Titan then slew the two and moved onto Silithus to deal with C'thun. He beat C'thun and C'thun fell to where he resides today.
Also, there shouldn't be an Old God near the Maelstorm. If I was imprisoning an ancient being of complete evil, I would try and keep it as far away from the magical fountain as possible. The Old God near Tirisfal Glades (There should be one there, it affected the High Elves.) reaches out into the great sea. If Yogg can spread his corruption throughout a frozen continent water should be no obsticle.
Post by
Tiran
The biggest thing is that during the War of the Ancients, the Old God's tried to use the portal that the Highbourne were opening for Sargeras as their own way to escape their prisons. It was referenced that their were three of them controlling and corrupting Deathwing during the War of the Ancient's books, but it doesn't say where the prison these three were breaking out of was.
So my huge question is......where were these points before the sundering?
Hm, perhaps the Old Gods were interested in taking Sargeras on their side, and later, infecting him, then twisting under their own influence, making him nothing more but an avatar for them, then free rest of their trapped brethren? After all, Sargeras was once the titan, that was designated to fight and imprison evil. So I would assume that he was sort of a prison keeper. Prisoners having the prison keeper on their side is quite beneficial. Perhaps then Old Gods would be able to have their revenge on the Titans, wreaking chaos in the cosmos along the way.
While it flies in the face of currently written history, I think Sargeras and the Old Gods is a "been there, done that" thing. From the last boss of Arcatraz, we know that there are Old Gods in more places than just Azeroth. And we also know that Sargeras fell into a brooding depression after defeating the Nazrethim. The guy's probably defeated billions of demons at this point, if not more, but this one race causes him to question the cause?
Likely there were Old Gods there, sowing the seeds of doubt that would lead to his corruption. Note that it doesn't mean he's under their control - Neltharion was strong enough to resist the compulsion of the Old Gods and remove the Dragon Soul from the Well, and one can assume that a Titan is stronger than an aspect.
Post by
Slaman
Well here's the thing then Slaman, how did Yogg affect the Shadow Council Orc's on Draenor when they set up the spells on Garona? Aren't the flashback's in Yogg's room just suppose to so show the insanity of the world, not just the things the Death Lord had a tentacle in?
I've never read anywhere that the Shadow Council "programmed" Garona's mind. Everything I've seen has just said that they ordered her, and she carried it out because she saw a vision in Karazhan that she would do it. I'm thinking this vision was influenced by Yogg.
Post by
Adamsm
You see them using a spell on her in the current issues of the comics, and they explain that is how they made her kill Llane in the first place, even though she considered the human a friend.
Post by
Slaman
You see them using a spell on her in the current issues of the comics, and they explain that is how they made her kill Llane in the first place, even though she considered the human a friend.
I've only read volume 1 and 2, and looking back the only hint of Garona is Anduin recollecting seeing her. I'll have to get the new volume and see what's going on.
Post by
240134
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Post by
Adamsm
Nah, the elves and the Horde did that to Zul'jin, the elves took his eye, he chopped off his own arm to escape, and he sees the fact that Horde have let the Blood Elves, enemies of the armani trolls join up as further betrayal.
Post by
Skreeran
By the way... Why didn't Zul'jin regenerate his arm?
Post by
Adamsm
Cause he's more kickarse as the one armed troll? Or blizz would rather him have the evidence of the escape for all time.....or they just got lazy and ignored the troll regentive powers heh.
Post by
Skreeran
I love troll regeneration... :P Too bad it's always been useless in the actual games... :(
Post by
Slaman
From Wowwiki's article on
Zul'jin
.
One possibility is that troll limb regeneration is not a verified fact, and was based on myth or was an assumption based on troll resilience and their fast healing properties. Other sources of lore might support this idea as limb regeneration is not mentioned. For example, in the Role Playing Game trolls have fast healing abilities and can heal grievous wounds but there is no mention of any limb regeneration component in their racial abilities.
There are other examples of trolls losing their arms, which may show that the concept of limb regeneration is false. Second Troll Legend: The tale of Gri'lek the Wanderer describes another troll who had to become left-handed because he had lost his right arm. Additionally, in the first issue of the World of Warcraft Comic, Stranger in a Strange Land, the human protagonist severs the arm of a Darkspear troll named Trusk; moments later, the team owner mentions that he "won't be able to regenerate that arm". Although Rinling of the Darkmoon Fair seems confident his hand will regenerate if he were to cut it off.
Even in a joke the male trolls say "I heard if you cut off an extremity it'll regenerate a little bigger. Don't believe it." That could mean one of two things: that it doesn't get bigger, or that it doesn't grow back.
Another possible answer is that he was not able to grow his arm back due to old age. He was already very old by the time of the Second War. However this is denied by the fact that the Troll Compendium qualifies its statement by saying all trolls rather than some, young, or old trolls.
Another theory is that perhaps he can no longer regenerate due to something the elves did to him. From the lore it appears Zul'jin was tortured by the elves and lost his eye, so it is equally possible they could have put a spell or curse on him so he wouldn't simply regenerate from their torture, thus prolonging his pain and making the loss of his eye much more significant.
Maybe the regeneration is will powered, and Zul'jin did not want to regenerate his arm, as a reminder of the elves and how they tortured him.
Post by
Skreeran
I'm thinking it's like the hydra. The Elve somehow (with fire or a fire spell) prevented him from regeneration...
Because the Troll Compendium does say that all Trolls can regenerate lost limbs. Also, I would say the various icons for the ability lend accuracy to this, specifically the
Warcraft 2 icon
.
And then there's
these
, that drop off of Prophet Tharon'ja...
Post by
352219
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Post by
Slaman
So I read the comics up to issue 17, and from what I've seen about Garona, there is no evidence that shows she was "programmed" on Draenor. It is still possible, and I won't say it's wrong, but she very well could have had her mind altered after she got here. Further, Cho'Gall set up his operations and controlled Garona's mind in (hello!) Ahn'Qiraj at the corpse of C'thun. I think reading this may have further bolstered my theory....
Post by
Adamsm
Except the Shadow Council has been controlling her since the first war, long before they ended up coming in contact with any old gods. The Old God on Outlands wasnt summoned till after the destruction of Draenor. Again, it's not suppose to show Yogg-Saron and the Old Gods having a finger in every pie during the flashbacks, those are just images of madness.
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