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Warlock's PvP Disadavantages with Flaming, and QQ to follow
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mudd
Call me generation X/Y but I really couldn't be arsed to read all of that. Could you make a summary perhaps
Post by
desperat
reading all this makes me want to stay at lvl 72, were i can beat anyone exept good frost mages <.<
Post by
Modibybob
I was having a rough time with a frost mage earlier. We were dueling and he kept winning, until I figured out a strategy. I noticed that everytime I started casting he would counterspell me, so I faked him out with shadowbolt instead of chaos bolt. Then it was pew pew, loliceblock, pew pew, dead.
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ZoraLink
The original poster was fed up with rogues.
My hatred of this faceroll class is nothing new and they are SO dull and SO overplayed, although most of them re-rolled pally or dk. A good rogue can cut me down to 20% hp in a single stunlock, vanish and kill me shortly afterwards. And there is not a single thing i can do about it. Trinket the first stun, he stuns me again, Don't trinket, im dead anyway. If i have my teleport out i have a slim chance of being able to to use it but the teleporter is a highly situational life saver. I understand the OPs frustration, and this nonsense imbalence in pvp between locks and rogues, the cloak of I WIN has been one of blizzard significant failings for the lock class for going on 2 years now. The class isn't perfect and Palys and Dks kill them easily but a lock for a rogue is simply ezy mode. You can't see them coming, becasue blizzard took away paranoia, and when they kill you there is frequently not a dam thing about it you can do.
BUT - To the OP, i say, you're giving up too early. Alot of those rogues re-rolled other lazy faceroll classes and there's alot less of them.....
I'd REALLY have to disagree with rogues being a faceroll class, particularly in arena. I work with a DK and a rogue for arena as a disc priest, and for a rogue to act effectively in a group environment takes a lot of skill. In one on ones, sure, they'll probably kick your ass. That's why you need to work with a team. Rogues are one of those that are easy to play, REALLY hard to master. And you need to be incredibly spastic to play one well. (I watched my buddy play his, it was very... twitchy to say the least.)
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Infleto
No I am still hear. . .
And I am not up set with rouges. I go Afk and get some food every time I see sap. It is rather relaxing to not struggle with death. Just let it take you
When I was running with my seduccy. I could counter there stun and put up Corr on them before I port in hopes they vanish with out using CoS.
PvP with A lock is just not all that worth it to me. That is all.
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Infleto
Oh, well, I was assuming that, as you had not responded in a bit, you had moved on to the exciting world of diet, caffeine-free warlocks (a.k.a. Hunter).
No if you go to the hunter forms, I am still trying to work the "noobie" out of my hunter. Right now I have some crazy ideal that I can use Eyes of the beast in WSG and AB. I must test this on the PTR. Why? IDK, sooner or later I will get around to leveling him up.
I got mad wile leveling him. There was a 80 Ally mage killing all the quest givers in cossroads. I needed to trun in a quest to one that the mage killed. So I logged on to Infleto got out my Fel puppy and set out for revenge.
I killed the mage and got 2 guild mates to camp with me. when we where done we whent to fly back to Org. Only to find 4 players standing around where the flight master should be. The mage killed the flight master.
I started calling guild mates. An hour later we ended up with one 36 man raid group and one with 27 people and set out to kill every flight master the Ally has.
In the right setups locks are just as powerful, if not better, than mages, boomkins, ele shaman, shadow priests and hunters. Name me one shadow priest combo that is as good as warrior warlock druid. You can't do it, not with this current patch.
I ran shadowplay as well as Lock, tree, MS warrior. And we did well. My tree healer hated port. Many times I was the first to be FF on. So I would port to save my @ss only to Los my healer. woot.
I loved Aff, Tree in 2v2s but that comp is countered my so many melee healer comps it is not funny.
Destro, mage is ok, but if it goes down to 1v1 with just the lock. It did not end well.
I am have dropped both my 2v2 and 3v3 teams when my guild split last month and have not be back in the arena scene
P.S. This is my QQ thread! everone go make your own! If locks could have a little grim reaper chase after their feared targets I would be back on my lock today in AV dropping fear on everyone.
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ZoraLink
I just noticed Chantress, you mentioned HIM having all his cooldowns, then mentioned you having all of YOUR cooldowns.
Durrr. Am I missing something or is that just hypocritical?
Post by
Toothun
At the Rogue haters: :
All seasons Glad UD Rogue vs Brutal Glad Gnome Destrolock
IB4 LOL ROGUE TROLL,I've decided to pick up my Warlock again for PvP and came across this thread.
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ZoraLink
Zoralink - my cd's don't mean ^&*! when it comes to fighting a good rogue.He chooses when and where he ganks me because he comes at me stealthed, unseen, and unexpected. Hypocritical? jesus, locks are a rogue's bread and butter in a bg. If you can't kill one, maybe its time for you to roll a DK?
Why is it that we have a bunch of rogues tell us how to play our warlocks. Meh, guys play one at lvl 80 and see what its like?
Running with your voidy out is a situational decision. If you have a Bg full of mages shammy's, holy pallys, the fel hunter is much better for the silence. Beside, the shield isn't that good. Seriously, it takes 11k damage. With his CDs up a rogue ganks me from 22k to about 5k before the stun wears off and i get a chance to fear/teleport, asuming both are off CD. All it does is give me time to run, maybe, and find a healer, or some help. Given that the rogue does 15-17k in under 8 seconds? meh 11k isn't much.
Yes, locks can be a powerful class - i know, i frequently come in the top 5 of the dps in a BG, but if you'd read a little closer, I explained that i havn't been able to find a consistant arena partner. I dont have any trouble killing anythig in general bg but when a good rogue choose to gank me, and guys you know you single us out, you can kill us with almost immupunity, unless we get lucky. Thats how i feel about those encounters, if I can kill the rogue, I got lucky. That fight in the whole game is the most unbalenced of all, always has been. and THATS why we QQ.
And Vul, an affliction lock does not have 31% damage mitigation - more likely we have 20% soul link. The 6% comes from the destro tree and the glyph is so %^&* poor its not worth it. I tried it and found i didn't die and slower, it made zip difference.
Two ranged CC's what would they be? deathcoil? it has a longer cd than cloak of shadows and fear, the most nurfed spell in the game AND interuptable.
LOL, for every escape we have, you guys have a counter for it. You really shouldn;t have any trouble killing us. If you do, maybe its time you re-rolled.
Well for a start, I do kill locks. I also get killed by locks. When they're smart enough to mana drain me. That's not cus I'm a DK or a rogue though. That's mainly cus I'm a priest. Just to start things off.
You say the shield is useless? Are you insane? Seriously? You say you go from 22k to 5k health before you get free. MAYBE, if you had a SHIELD, you would go from 22k health to, oh, I don't know, 16k health? A net loss of 6k health from the rogue's most POWERFUL attack? (The dreaded stunlock.) After the stun lock, instead of running, why not tap him with a corruption or curse of agony? Let him WASTE his cloak on a single curse while you merrily teleport away. If he tries to vanish, well, he's wasted his vanish because your DoT will tick and reveal him.
Notice a HUGE key word there. RANGED CC. What are rogues? MELEE. Try keeping him at BAY. You have a teleport. Use it. You have a fear. Use it. You have a death coil. Use it. He can't stop everything. Wait for him to waste his cloak (Which, as you call it, "a good rogue" will use right after the stun lock wears off) then destroy him. Affliction is also sub par for killing locks, so yeah. It's better for killing, say, a priest. Like me. Unstable affliction makes me very sad.
You complain about losing to rogues, when you don't do things like go destruction for the extra stuns, or using the void walker to help survive. Sorry if I'm not a fan.
P.S. And before you say, "Blah, blah, blah, you're a priest, what do you know?", I have a warlock, I've played on a buddy's rogue, and I do arena with a rogue, and yes, those DKs you say all rogues should reroll.
P.S.S. And no, I don't believe BGs are good samples of what a rogue vs. warlock can do.
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