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Post by
Magician22773
a Vote for Hillary in 2016.
That's kind of defeating the purpose.
I get Roe v Wade tossed,
and
a Constitutional amendment against abortion
first
.
Post by
Skreeran
I've said it before. After a certain point, I do treat unborn babies as born babies. The first trimester is about as far as I'm willing to stretch on the matter. I'm not pro-abortion, and I don't advocate the killing of babies. I believe women who were raped or who are in danger because of the pregnancy need to be allowed an out, if they can act fast enough.
This
is why abortion must be allowed in certain circumstances. Abortion is a terrible thing, and no, I don't think it should just be freely given out to anyone who regrets their sexual actions. But sometimes, regrettably, it has to be done, and that little girl is why. That's who I fight for.
Post by
Squishalot
How about this, then. You can take away the option for abortions and make them illegal. But I want the death penalty in every state. =)
Heck...lets at least make it a more equitable deal.
I will trade you a full repeal of Roe v Wade, with Constitutional protection
for
unborn children, in exchange for Gay Marriage and Gun Control all the way down to full confiscation of all "firearms" (as defined by Sec.18 USC), and will I will even toss in a Vote for Hillary in 2016.
What are you going to do about non-abortions that threaten the mother's life? Or victims of rape who would commit suicide rather than carry a baby to term?
Post by
Magician22773
How about this, then. You can take away the option for abortions and make them illegal. But I want the death penalty in every state. =)
Heck...lets at least make it a more equitable deal.
I will trade you a full repeal of Roe v Wade, with Constitutional protection
for
unborn children, in exchange for Gay Marriage and Gun Control all the way down to full confiscation of all "firearms" (as defined by Sec.18 USC), and will I will even toss in a Vote for Hillary in 2016.
What are you going to do about non-abortions that threaten the mother's life? Or victims of rape who would commit suicide rather than carry a baby to term?
As I have said before..(and since this was kind of a nonsensical portion of the discussion, I did not feel I needed to be overly specific)...I do understand the necessity of a very small number of abortions. To be clear, I only believe it should even be a 'choice' when the mother is in clear and undeniable danger of losing her life from the pregnancy. And even then, I am reluctant to "protect" it, because it is too easy to continually extend those protections to mean more and more.
As for a rape victim that is suicidal...I would advocate that she needs medical mental help, not a free pass for an abortion. If she is is that distraught, I would be worried about her safety, with or without the child. If the case were legitimately "black or white"....abort or suicide...then that would by common sense fall under "undeniable danger" to the mother....but I do not think rape should be automatically excluded.
The same goes for extremely underage mothers and incest victims as well. I can understand the exceptions, but it needs to be case by case, and it needs to be a last resort...knowing and understanding full well that the result is the termination of a human life.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
He's saying that he considers it important enough that he will give up every other strong political opinion he has if it meant winning that one political battle.
Post by
Skreeran
He's saying that he considers it important enough that he will give up every other strong political opinion he has if it meant winning that one political battle.And I think that's fair enough. I would happily concede abortion (except in cases of rape or danger to the mother) to get all these other social issues.
Post by
Squishalot
As I have said before..(and since this was kind of a nonsensical portion of the discussion, I did not feel I needed to be overly specific)...I do understand the necessity of a very small number of abortions.
Fair enough, the only reason I'm bringing it up is that you're raising very specific measures (repeal of court case and constitutional protection). You see, without adequate provisions (and I don't think 'case by case' is the answer, because then I can guarantee that hundreds of thousands of people will slip through the cracks), as you point out, that definition of 'undeniable danger' won't be either a) consistently upheld, or b) upheld at all within the term of the pregnancy, based on what I know about US legal affairs.
It also begs a big question about miscarriages, and the ability of authorities to determine whether it was done naturally or intentionally. Since quite a high proportion of pregnancies end naturally in miscarriage, you have an issue of a) privacy, in relation to the mother who doesn't want/need to be investigated for murder, and b) enforceability, because you will need to provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt, which is going to be well-nigh impossible. So as far as abortion laws go, all you can reasonably enforce is laws against hospital-based abortions.
Post by
Magician22773
Wow.
“If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”
“We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,”
Post by
Skreeran
Wow.
“If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”
“We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,”Imo, if a fetus is capable of surviving out of the womb in any capacity, it's past the point where I believe it can be aborted.
Post by
MyTie
Skree, these people are completely beyond logical thought. In their minds, "it is a mother's choice" is the only thing they know. That's it. They don't know why, and nothing else matters. They understand that one thing, and when you present them with something else, that's how they answer. If you ask them what kind of sauce on their french fries, they answer "that should be left up to the mother". They are robots, incapable of moral and rational thinking. It's terrible. It's heinous. It's evil.
Post by
Skreeran
I think that kind of drone "Whatever our party says" thinking could be interpreted from a lot of people these days.
Post by
Eccentrica
If there are so many people that truly wish to force women to carry their children to term, that care about human life so much, why are there still orphanages.
If you care so darned much, why haven't you adopted all the children you are financially capable of supporting?
Do you actively work to get government to ensure there are no children living in poverty, going to school hungry or going without health care?
If children are 'somebody else's problem' when they are alive, then feigning concern about them in their unborn state is highly hypocritical.
If human life is so sacred to you, do you protest in front of prisons to try to prevent capital punishment from being meted out?
If you have adopted children, do support assistance to poverty line children and do protest capital punishment, then I support you and you are an angel.
The problem with prolifers is their concern over the welfare of the baby generally ends when the baby is actually born.
Post by
Monday
If human life is so sacred to you, do you protest in front of prisons to try to prevent capital punishment from being meted out?
Those receiving capital punishment (generally) have done something to deserve it, whereas an unborn child can not have. These are not related in any way, shape or form. Nice try, though.
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
I don't think a born infant is equal to an unborn baby. They simply aren't the exact same thing, just as men and women aren't equal. However, none of these are of any less value than the others.
Post by
gnomerdon
Skree, these people are completely beyond logical thought. In their minds, "it is a mother's choice" is the only thing they know. That's it.
They
don't know why, and nothing else matters.
They
understand that one thing, and when you present them with something else, that's how they answer. If you ask them
what kind of sauce on their french fries, they answer "that should be left up to the mother". They are robots, incapable of moral and rational thinking. It's terrible. It's heinous. It's evil.
you are a mindless robot for even dehumanizing views opposite to you. they have a heart just like you. a brain. what is the difference? nothanggggg.
it's nice to sound like a cool kid and feel like you are above us all.. doesn't it mytie? =) words like "they" and "them" reminds us we are still in the stone ages
in the end, it's the chick's decision if she wants the baby. her decision, her body, her booty!
don't be judgin them. ur god will judge for you, so dont waste ya time. lol
let the female decide. it's within the law, so it's not wrong. the constitution trumps baby! no bible or conviction can stop that.
sooner or later, abortion clinics will be all over america, and it will finally be safe and legal. it's inevitable, and no rallying or protests is going to stop it. aint no one got time for dat!
it's an uphill race for those against abortion, too bad ur gonna lose too. it's profitable to legalize abortion clinics and charge helpless clients thousands for the procedure.
it's a win / win situation for doctors, businesses, and it would help the budget for years to come.
it's a win/ win for our overpopulation problem by a .00001% margin
and if i had the choice to be born or not to be born, it may have been 50/50. i didn't have the choice to want to be born.
although i do like steak, dark brewed beer from the tap, and playing games, my choice would have been 50/50 if i wanted to be born or not.
vote pro choice, vote for equal rights, and right to body!
if it was wrong to destroy sperm to a napkin, i would faint. that's how females feel when they don't have the choice to abort!
Post by
MyTie
I am not a robot.
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
I don't think a born infant is equal to an unborn baby. They simply aren't the exact same thing, just as men and women aren't equal. However, none of these are of any less value than the others.
But if they are worth the same, which do you save?
Whichever I do. There is no moral choice above the other. I take the action most likely to preserve life.
Post by
240140
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