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Post by
MyTie
That is really strange to me but, each to their own, I guess.
I mean I can see wanting to save fetuses if no one else is on the line, but not if it costs a baby its life.
Well, let me try to help you. Let's say that a 1 year old toddler and a 1 month old baby are each about to be tossed into a volcano, and you get to choose one to save?
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
The reason I found it strange is because I don't consider a fetus as valuable. I simply don't understand it.Well, I do see differences between a toddler and an infant, just as I see a difference between an unborn child and an infant. Since I see them all as valuable human life, the idea that when offered a choice, one should "trump" the other, is as foreign to me, as the opposite is to you.I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't feel like you do. A lot of people think like I do, I think your opinion is not as common, though I'm sure many hold it.
I don't think anyone sees any difference in a born child?Meh. I don't desire popularity.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
Correct me if I'm wrong and there is actually a movement trying to prove 1 month babies are worth more than 1 year toddlers.
Not that I'm aware of. I was just using that for illustration.
Post by
Gone
I never said you do, I meant that there is a debate on a fetus's value, I don't think there is on a baby's value. Correct me if I'm wrong and there is actually a movement trying to prove 1 month babies are worth more than 1 year toddlers.
To me one would trump the other like saving a human over an animal would.
What is it to you though, that makes a fetus less valuable than a baby? I mean what are the actual qualities that differ between the two?
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240140
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Post by
Gone
I never said you do, I meant that there is a debate on a fetus's value, I don't think there is on a baby's value. Correct me if I'm wrong and there is actually a movement trying to prove 1 month babies are worth more than 1 year toddlers.
To me one would trump the other like saving a human over an animal would.
What is it to you though, that makes a fetus less valuable than a baby?
It simply isn't a person to me. I have never met this fetus and it would be impossible for me to interact with if I do. Maybe that is insensitive but that's how I feel.
Not saying it has no value at all and I'd kill it for fun.
But what are the specific differences between a fetus and a baby that make you come to this conclusion?
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240140
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Post by
Gone
A fetus can't laugh with you, hold your hand, cry, play, be superannoying.
The thing is though, fetuses can interact if they were outside of the womb. Not to the same degree as a baby, but a baby can't interact to the same degree as a 6 year old child, or a full grown adult. Would you consider a baby less valuable than a full grown adult on the same logic?
if I've known them in the past, I would consider that interaction, if not, I sadly would consider someone not in a coma to be more valuable as being in coma is basically being a shell that needs nutrition.
What if it was a person in a coma that a doctor told you was guaranteed to wake up in 9 months, baring anything unforeseen?
Post by
MyTie
A fetus can't laugh with you, hold your hand, cry, play, be superannoying.
Fetuses
can
laugh and cry.
Fetuses
can
hold your hand.
Fetuses
can
play.
Fetuses
can
be annoying.
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240140
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Post by
MyTie
Yeah mytie, but they're doing those things in a tight space within another person, I'm not able to interact with that.
So you don't value them as highly as the ones you can interact with?
Post by
Gone
How can a fetus interact other than move around creepily? To be honest, babies are supercute and you don't want anything to happen to them (fetuses look like aliens but that's not relevant) if that wasn't the case, I would want to pick the person I actually know. But they're so cute.
Just before somebody else jumps on this. I know that you're not saying that babies are more valuable than fetuses because their cute and fetuses look creepy. But that's kind of what this reads like.
No because that's 9 months of nothing, I'd rather save the person that get's to live those 9 months.
Does't a fetus technically have more time to live than a full grown person though?
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240140
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Post by
Ksero
I never said you do, I meant that there is a debate on a fetus's value, I don't think there is on a baby's value. Correct me if I'm wrong and there is actually a movement trying to prove 1 month babies are worth more than 1 year toddlers.
To me one would trump the other like saving a human over an animal would.
What is it to you though, that makes a fetus less valuable than a baby? I mean what are the actual qualities that differ between the two?
This wasn't directed at me, but it has been answered many times in this thread. No one, wants to abort a fetus after the 20-23rd week (other than medical emergencies), after this time, the fetus can feel pain, react to light, sound, and touch. before that time it does not have those abilities. Before that time, it is morally subjective whether or not it is a human.
The problem is, people think that THEIR moral views should be enforced on everyone, that's why it should always be up to the mother, because in the grand scheme of things, Its her life, her baby, and her choice. The reason you keep getting the same robotic response from people is because they are right, and you have no right to control other people's choices.
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240140
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Post by
Gone
The problem is, people think that THEIR moral views should be enforced on everyone
that's why it should always be up to the mother
You realize that you just said that people shouldn't have the right to enforce their morality on others, and then immediately after stated your own moral opinion as a truth right?
Your failure to look at the situation from your opponents point of view is the problem with what you said said. To a pro life individual, the fetus is a person, so the mother deciding to abort
is
an act of one person (the mother) enforcing their own viewpoint, at the expense of another person (the fetus).
Post by
Eccentrica
Then the prolifer can feel free to take the fetus from my womb, implant it in their own and carry on. Alternately they can compensate me financially for every aspect of pregnancy, delivery and recovery and take the child to raise themselves.
Post by
Monday
Then the prolifer can feel free to take the fetus from my womb, implant it in their own and carry on. Alternately they can compensate me financially for every aspect of pregnancy, delivery and recovery and take the child to raise themselves.
Or you could, you know, use contraception.
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