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Skyfire
To avoid flame arguements, we ask that you provide backup arguements and logic instead of finger pointing. Thank you.
It appears that you're the one finger pointing. I was only pointing out that the argument was an inappropriate one from a logical standpoint.
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MyTie
To avoid flame arguements, we ask that you provide backup arguements and logic instead of finger pointing. Thank you.
It appears that you're the one finger pointing. I was only pointing out that the argument was an inappropriate one from a logical standpoint.
Based off of that, I'll just use what dragon said, that the point isn't black and white. I'll agree that it definately isn't as rigid as I first described, but there are some parallels to be drawn. How much standing by and letting something happen is acceptible before the act becomes approval?
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MyTie
I just asked my wife if she thought abortion was an acceptible option if a baby has 0% chance of living and the mother has 100% chance of dieing without an abortion. She said it would be acceptible. I then proposed this scenerio:
You are stuck on a boat with our toddler son who is unable to ration water by himself. You know with 100% certainty that you only have enough water for one of you to survive, and our son is too young to ration his own water. Logically, for you to live, you have to either let him die a cruel and agonizing death of dehydration, or you have to kill him.
Her answer was "We would both drink the water for as long as we could, then we would both die". I asked her what would be the difference between the abortion and the boat scenerio. She said "I wouldn't have to watch him die."
Interesting answers? They surprised me.
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Post by
Skyfire
How much standing by and letting something happen is acceptible before the act becomes approval?
The question you pose is one based on each person's philosophical view points.
I would say that justice must be seen to be carried out upon the injust in all cases. Others would say that situation occasionally demands that justice be suspended (particularly Hume I have in mind), while still others would say that what is just is only of issue to the strongest of a certain set of people (the Sophists).
Let us draw a parallel. I would have that the question you pose is moot for me; it's not an of issue of when or who or why, but simply an issue of biding by the rules of logic. Others would pose that your question calls for an answer of "depends; sometimes the answer is 'forever', sometimes 'we should act immediately'"; some might say that it's not for you or I to decide....
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MyTie
@Skyfire - Which is why this thread is both an interesting topic and on the other hand, unsolvable.
@Gore - I think you misunderstand the boat scenario. There is no circumstance in which she could sacrifice herself to save the toddler. The toddler has 0% chance of life. She has a chance, if she drinks all the water herself. But, she decided she wouldn't, which would inadvertently cause her death, while still not saving him. I was contrasting a similar situation of 'abortion for medical reasons to save the mother' to a scenario where the baby has already been born. In one answer, it is ok to end the life of the baby, but in the next it is not. The difference in her mind was that she cannot see the child in the case of abortion.
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Post by
Finbarr
My opinion on Abortion -
Abortion is something that should be done in circumstances where the biological parents can't care for the child, or can't find anyone to care for it. Otherwise - You ****ed each other, you take care of the kid.
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MyTie
I'm so happy this has stayed flame free.
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MyTie
afaik, during the stage that abortion is viable, the fetus hasn't developed enough to be totally self-aware, and doesn't feel pain.
There is no way you can know this. You should read more on
fetal memories
. If they can have memories that are detectible to us, then how do we know what they can and can't feel?
My whole point is that we DON'T KNOW. And until we do, abortion is not an option.
Edited to add link.
Post by
Arideni
As so often is the case, we tend to open our mouths when we should listen and open our legs when we should be chaste. Many issues of this nature could be prevented with proper guidance and child-rearing. The upcoming generations are definitely in for learning lessons the hard way. It's a shame, :-(
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MyTie
As so often is the case, we tend to open our mouths when we should listen and open our legs when we should be chaste. Many issues of this nature could be prevented with proper guidance and child-rearing. The upcoming generations are definitely in for learning lessons the hard way. It's a shame, :-(
Finally a mod I can agree with.
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