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MyTie
And now we are back to the square where we have to define what life is, or when it is given. I might have to go back and see, but I thought that you said that since we don't know that answer, that is why abortion is wrong
I agree that we can't know when life begins. Until we do, the safer option is to assume that there IS life there.I think that if you were really faced with that situation, losing your wife or unborn child, you would probably do whatever you could to save your wife. I know in hypothetical situations it's easy to say one thing, but you never really know how you would react if you were actually in that situation.Fair enough. You might be right. For now, we will have to rely on speculation.I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself if I were to make the same choice as you.Right back at ya.
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MyTie
To throw another question into the mix...
For those that are pro-life, would you be objected to having abortion legal for extreme cases and not for birth control purposes? Or is it a black and white issue with no grey area?
For me there is no grey area. I think I don't even need to post this, since I have already made it obvious by my previous posts.
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Way off topic guys.
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Magnerz
Well this definately made for some interesting wednesday morning reading, the parts of which i've managed to cover anyway. I've considered the issue of abortion for long enough to believe that it is rarely a black and white issue and thus to say it is "right" or "wrong", is to ignore reality of circumstance.
Much of the abortion debate for both pro-lifers and pro-abortionists centres around the definition or perception of when the “foetus” becomes a “baby”, when it turns from an “organism” into a “person” if you will.
Medically there is a cut off point, or rather two cut off points; up to X amount of weeks into the pregnancy, the foetus is considered just that, an organism, after X amount of weeks it is considered to be life an abortion becomes increasing unattractive an option, one which is pushed through given regard to circumstance.
The point at which the developing baby actually enters “life” is the second cut off point. Once you see a breathing living feeling baby, “termination” is evidently murder. It seems to be that it is the question of determining where “X weeks” stands on the spectrum. Is it the moment of conception, or rather the end result of a baby in one’s arms?
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@Van - So, what if:
I am stuck on a boat with my son. I only have enough water for one of us to survive until we are rescued. I know that if he lives, I won't. So, at that point, would it be acceptible to break his neck to promote my own survival? I am of the mentality, that I will give him water for as long as I can before I die, hopeing that he will make it alive. My own life becomes inconsequential. It is too bad that parents put themselves first.
2nd point: Again, I'll tell this story.... My wife and I were faced with the situation you describe. There was the possibility that the pregnancy, in the 1st trimester, could have killed my wife. We decided that faceing death itself was a better fate than having our children's blood on our hands. We did not abort. She had a miscarriage later. The baby's life ended naturally, when it was supposed to. He died at the end of his life, not when we decided to abort him. My wife could have died, but she faced the possibility with her chin up, and bravery in her eyes. He didn't quite make it into the third trimester. His name was Jacob.
I think I've shed a little light on how fervantly I oppose abortion.
I haven't read the whole thread, only up to this post, but this really does make me want to share a point.
First off, I am very sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how painful such a process is, allthough both my brother and my wife's brother have suffered the natural loss of unborn children, so I have shared their pain.
Your first point, though; If I was in that situation I'd feed my son water for as long as I was able to, in the hope that he reached shore alive - at the cost of my own life. That is unquestionable. Would I do the same if it was a stranger? An adult stranger? Likely not. A child? I just don't know. Regardless of family bonds, you always protect children more than another adult. Can you call a fetis a child? A life? This seems to have been debated allready, so I won't go any further on that.
At your second point. Do you have any other children? More importantly, did you have any children older than Jacob?
I have 3 children. I think the situation changes drastically when you face the fact that your 3 children have the possibility of losing their mother before any are over 10 years old. I think - THINK - that if we were told that a 4th pregnancy would create significant danger for my wifes life, I would have opted to abort. I can't speak for my wife of course, but that's most likely what would have been my opinion then.
If this was our first pregnancy, I would likely fall to the same choice you did, UNLESS the probability for my wife dying exceeded the probability of her living.
We're not planning more children. Actually we didn't plan #3, but while I had many strange feelings during that pregnancy, I love him to death now. Abortion was never an option. Abortion will not be an option for us, should we have another "accident", as long as the pregnancy is of the healthy sort and things look good.
All this is of course purely hypothetical, as we've never been in this situation, luckily. Noone truly knows these things before they're in the middle of it.
It needs to be said that I'm definately on the pro-CHOICE side of the fence, but I will encourage every pregnant woman to carry forth their child. I just want that choice to be left up to THEM. Not to any legislative group imposing rules of such importance on others.
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MyTie
Thank you for your input. I would encourage you to open by answering the OP questions.
To answer your question: I have two living children: one born before Jacob died, and one born after.
I understand where your views are coming from. All of this is understandable. My view is that society goes through such great lengths to protect human life, it is shocking that they are so quick to promote some of its death.
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