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Problem on Patchy in a PUG, what did I do wrong?
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ZoraLink
It may have actually been the tanks. I'm a disc priest, I've solo healed Thaddius (After the other 2 healers got blown up), yet I CANNOT keep up a tank alone on Patchwerk if he doesn't dodge a lot of the hatefuls. If it's a decent tank, then sure, I can solo heal it. But only then. And it's still frustrating a lot of the time, and discipline is MADE for tank healing. I can't imagine it as a holy priest. It would make more sense for the raid leader to have put the two of you on the MT, then the paladin and a druid on the worse geared hateful tank, then the last paladin healer on the other hateful tank.
TL;DR
Raid leader should know better, though you could have communicated better as well.
EDIT: I spy, with my little eye, a discipline spec. Next time use that for Patchwerk.
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Paolo
Agree with the above. RL failed at organizing heals; there should almost always be a healing lead who isn't the main raid leader. Few RLs (in my experience) are smart/experienced healers who know the strengths of the various specs. But most RLs like to think that organizing heals is still their job, since their egos do not allow them to delegate any responsibility. </gripe>
Ok, on another note. PoM and CoH are not good spells for this fight. If you're in single-target mode (even incorrectly), you have to get out of raid-healing mindset. You should be spamming all of your best single-target heals. Including shield (that's right!), then mashing everything you've got on ONE target. You can use CoH if you have a free GCD just to proc SoL, but otherwise you're wasting time and mana healing people who don't need it. PoM is also ok situationally (if you have a free GCD), but it's no longer mana efficient -- it gets its efficiency from healing multiple targets, and again, those targets don't need the heals.
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Patty
Also, use Guardian Spirit, it is very useful in this fight, for the extra throughput if anything.
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ZoraLink
though you could have communicated better as well.
I actually don't know what to communicate. I do say to the RL that I can't holy heal a hateful guy, but I think they're blinded by what they believe they're seeing on the healing meters up to this point, ie, you're top, you have the most through-put, you're best suited. When I say 'but I carry a raid heal build,' the usual answer is that no raid damage is taken on Patchy so I just have to concentrate on the hateful guy. Erm. I know what I mean, they don't appear to, how can I make this clear?
As for the disc build, ofc it would be preferable, bearing in mind it's my off-spec, but then there's the whole meter-maid problem when a raid wide failure occurs. Oftentimes Patchy is the first boss, the yard stick, and I've been penalised by recount before there ... That said, with a non Nazi RL, yes, it's definitely the way to go.
However, there must be some holy priest out there who don't carry a duel disc spec, and I wonder what they do in this situation?
Thanks for your reply
Well judging from what you've said, it looks like you really couldn't really have said anything else. And regardless of meters, I would use the disc spec if it happens again. If they try to $%^&*, go through a nice runthrough of the following questions:
Do I not help reduce damage for everyone else in the raid (In particular, the other tanks)?
Do my shields not stop a huge portion of the incoming damage?
Do my heals not create even MORE shields?
Can I not provide a 40% damage reduction in case of an enrage?
Do I not buff a caster DPS through Power Infusion, or help a flagging healer?
See what they say. If they still go "blahblahlbalhlblansfjbnsfknas, meters don't lie, blamldmaslds" then just ignore them. Do your job, if they continue to fail at Patchwerk, at least know you're being the most effective you can be. And refusing to use the much more effective spec at Patchwerk because your afraid of meters is NOT doing your job as well as it could be done. (If you only had the holy spec, sure, but since you do have the disc spec and are just afraid of their response, that makes me very unhappy.)
EDIT: And if all else fails, look up GuessedAbsorbs for Recount on Curse. It's a wonderous tool for shutting people up.
EDIT2: I really, really, hate people who stare at meters. :\
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Haxxer
I
really
really
really
really
really
hate recount. Sure, it shows a lot of information, but as long as the boss is going down, there's
NO REASON
to look at it. If the boss isn't going down, then look at what you did last time and try to change this.
MEH.
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Praest
ok, sorry, been away for a bit ...
i'm not glyphed for guardian spirit, hmmmmm, i think i might give it a go.
Try it. Once glyphed, you can chaincast it once every 1m10s.
Unless the tank "dies" with it active, you have 10 seconds of +40% healing and total protection for the tank almost every minute. And if the tank "dies", then it at the very least saved a wipe.
What's not to like about that? :)
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Crysania
Ok, on another note. PoM and CoH are not good spells for this fight.
I disagree with this. If you have an addon like PoM tracker that allows you to see who your PoM is on, you can keep it on your tank and let it bounce around to the other tanks without letting it go to waste on dps. I find that about half the time it will end up on a dps or pet (and therefore recast it on my tank) but the other half of the time will bounce to the other tanks, therefore helping your other healers
when their tank is getting hit
. CoH can also be good on this fight, but don't spam it all the time just for SoL procs. Try to save it for when multiple tanks have taken damage.
Also, just because you can't keep a tank up doesn't automatically make it your fault. The last time my guild pugged a hateful tank, I was assigned to heal him. Despite having healed hateful tanks on numerous occasions, I couldn't keep him alive. We had a DK volunteer to take his place and it went much smoother.
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