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Best Shield Enchant?
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Post by
Shiverlynn
If you have 542 defense, no need to enchant your cloak for defense (as I understood it), put on an armor enchant.
Now for the shield, to me shield spike is pointless. Well it's not but pales in comparison to other wayyy more beneficial enchants.
- 18 stamina isn't minor, your unbuffed health is still a bit low so that would help.
- the plating is an okay option too, I've seen a few end-game warriors with it. It's not here for the disarm, it's here for the additional block, which gives both some additional mitigation and threat.
- or you can put a 20 defense on your shield to gain some mitigation and avoidance.
My favourite one is 18 stamina.
Post by
Zakkhar
Defence enchant is considered the best investement point per point for balanced tanking (its also the avoidance option). Other options are plating (highly situational, usefull in pvp), tbc stamina (better to gem for stamina, enchant for defence). Spike isnt good for warriors at all, we got damage shield which is much better than any spikes we can attach. I would consider it fairly usefull only as Paladin and i would take plating over it anyway.
Stamina is very bad choice not only due to it being tbc enchant.
Typical gem gives 24 stamina or 16 defence.
This enchant gives you 18 stamina (75% of gem slot)
Defence enchant gives 20 def (125% of gem slot).
Its pretty obvious its best to enchant def here. Even though you are over the cap.
Post by
Shiverlynn
So would you recommend that I switch to 20 defense even if I'm stacking stamina?
Post by
pak52b
do you have any defense gems that you could swap out if you enchant the cloak with +def?
Post by
Zakkhar
So would you recommend that I switch to 20 defense even if I'm stacking stamina?
Obviously.
PS: Everybody stack stamina.
do you have any defense gems that you could swap out if you enchant the cloak with +def?
Even if he doesnt now, I am pretty sure he will have. The better the gear them less raw def it has on it.
Post by
Shiverlynn
Not everybody stacks stamina. In fact I'm the only tank in our guild who stacks stamina to the stars, and often argue with the others about it. There's one who's convinced that 16 dodge gems are the way to go (no, he's not a druid, he's a warrior too), and the other one swears by expertise. I just like my health pool.
But then, if 20 defense is just better than 18 stam, I'm going to reenchant my shield right now. Thanks.
Post by
Zakkhar
Well you have funny guild mates thats for sure.
Everybody should stack stamina.
I got some general rules for sockets (prio is stamina always), but sometimes its worth to gem:
-exp/sta into red slot (for meta mainly or if you are low on exp for socket bonuses) - some people prefer dodge/sta gems but i am still short of dodge cap so exp twice as good as hit in terms of threat stat.
-def/sta into yellow slot (if socket bonus is good)*
* - an example will be my belt.
Gemmed for def/sta i get 8 def (50% gem) 12 sta (50% gem) and 6 sta (25% gem). If i stacked stamina ignoring the socket bonus i would get: 24sta (100% gem). So basically its 8 def versus 6 stamina.
Its very typical situation you get in gear. Its a matter of choice here.
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97649
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Post by
marklartank
you are tanking heroics and naxx....
for that content, i would go with the plating or spike for extra aoe damage. i kinda like the plating myself, but both are nice.
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Zakkhar
you are tanking heroics and naxx....
for that content, i would go with the plating or spike for extra aoe damage. i kinda like the plating myself, but both are nice.
Block rating of a warrior is nowhere near that of a paladin (and its not recommendend for him unless he is soloing). The damage bonus is neglectable. If you think a tiny (i dont think you get over 1% of total damage from it) bonus helps you in any way in handling aoe threat you do something wrong. If you think it helps in dps, your damage dealers do something wrong.
Post by
Porcell
Block rating of a warrior is nowhere near that of a paladin (and its not recommendend for him unless he is soloing). The damage bonus is neglectable.
This is one of the major differences between Paladins and Warriors. If I were a paladin, I would be gearing some block rating in with my normal gear so that I had a total of around 70% miss/dodge/parry/block, so that every hit would be a block when I put up my +30% block ability.
Flip to warriors. We avoid block like the plague (or at least we should). In my current gear, I have 0 additional block rating, so my block is at the base 12.6x% (5 base, 5.6x from defense, and 2 from shield spec). Sure, we have 100% block for 10 seconds every 40 seconds, but that still is not going to be putting out very much damage from shield spike. At least with Titanium Plating you get a bit of extra damage from Damage Shield (blocks + hits), and a bit of extra damage from Shield Slam, and a bit of extra mitigation. Shield spike gives you some damage whenever you block and that's it.
For me personally, I'm using Stamina on my shield. Yes it's a BC enchant. Yes it's worth less than Defense when you compare to gem points. However, it's still the best effective health enchant for shields. I've above the defense minimum, I'm not gemming specifically for defense.
I do have some defense/stamina gems, but they are in my boots and legs, which both have 1 Yellow and 1 Blue socket with +9 Stamina socket bonuses. I'm giving up 3 Stamina for 8 Defense. In terms of "what I give up for trade," if I compare that with my shield choice the 18 Stamina would have to be compared to a 48 Defense enchant before I'd be making the same trade.
Which reminds me, I need to get around to putting armor on my cloak and health on my chest since I'm 48 Defense Rating above the defense minimum...
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Post by
marklartank
you are tanking heroics and naxx....
for that content, i would go with the plating or spike for extra aoe damage. i kinda like the plating myself, but both are nice.
Block rating of a warrior is nowhere near that of a paladin (and its not recommendend for him unless he is soloing). The damage bonus is neglectable. If you think a tiny (i dont think you get over 1% of total damage from it) bonus helps you in any way in handling aoe threat you do something wrong. If you think it helps in dps, your damage dealers do something wrong.
neither of the options i mentioned give you block rating...
both of them will increase your dps/tps, especially on groups. it is not "neglectable", as you so eloquently put it. like i said, i prefer the plating over the spike for the same reasons that porcell mentioned.
SBV is a nice stat for running heroics and even naxx. i would not recommend it for anything above that, but it's not what the OP was asking about. he doesn't need the defense or the stam for his content, so why not enchant for threat?
Post by
Porcell
SBV is a nice stat for running heroics and even naxx. i would not recommend it for anything above that, but it's not what the OP was asking about. he doesn't need the defense or the stam for his content, so why not enchant for threat?
The whole point of going BV set in heroics and trash is for the threat and damage, right? I mean, the high Block Rating means you'll be taking very little damage, but for some reason I think I'd be just fine in my 35k unbuffed, 56% avoidance boss tanking set... So it all comes down to threat.
Well, maybe I'm a bit off. I just looked at my block value gear:
23.6k Armor
30,121
548 Defense
19% Dodge
17% Parry
37% Block
1747 Block Value
159 Hit Rating (4.85%)
16 Expertise (4.00%)
9.72% Crit Chance
3088 Attack Power
I guess that's pretty respectable on the Hit and Expertise, since I'm only needing 5.4% hit against level 82 mobs and 6% expertise, I'm close enough to do okay.
My boss / normal gear looks like this though:
24.8k Armor
34,371 Health
549 Defense
28.7% Dodge
19% Parry
12.96% Block
1279 Block Value
260 Hit (7.93%)
24 Expertise (6.00%)
7.89% Crit Chance
3062 Attack Power
I guess after 3.2 comes the Block Value gear will be nice, since it should have up around 2500 Block Value instead of only 1750.
Post by
marklartank
The whole point of going BV set in heroics and trash is for the threat and damage, right? I mean, the high Block Rating means you'll be taking very little damage, but for some reason I think I'd be just fine in my 35k unbuffed, 56% avoidance boss tanking set... So it all comes down to threat.
yes, a SBV value set is nice for easier content for a few reasons.
1) high mitigation for light hitting mobs (especially multiple mob packs)
2) big SS - since hit / expertise are less useful against heroic bosses, and even less useful against trash, big SS's are nice for single target threat.
3) bigger damage shield hits for more aoe threat
the OP is running with 26% block, so the extra SBV works well with his gear. even with your gear, i would definitely use the block set for doing heroics/naxx. personally, i find myself very rage starved in that type of content, and until 3.2 hits, block returns rage whereas avoidance steals it.
Post by
Porcell
2) big SS - since hit / expertise are less useful against heroic bosses, and even less useful against trash, big SS's are nice for single target threat.
When I started making the previous post, I was going to lament the fact that BR/BV gear doesn't have hit or expertise on it, and if the point of going BV set is for threat, it's pointless if you are missing 10+% of the time.
But then I logged in and put on my BV gear, and found I was at nearly 5% hit and 4% Expertise, so I'm really only missing <5% of the time. I'll take the increased threat, damage, and mitigation for only 5% misses.
(I could probably fix that a little by a little regem here and there, or putting Expertise instead of Threat on the gloves..)
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