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Mana from LoH, worth asking for?
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pezz
Generally healing paladins will use LoH on the tank, or themselves if they're desperate for mana. I assume ret does this as well, but I'm Holy/Prot so I can't say. Tanks usually prefer to save them for themselves, and quite a lot of tanks might not even have a way to quickly give you LoH, either through macros or addons or anything. Paladin tanks hit a different button literally every cooldown, that's the point of our rotation. 25 man bosses aren't a nice time to turn the camera around, find a specific person, and cast a spell you don't normally use on them. So, usually I'd say it's your responsibility to keep your mana up, since it's better to LoH a tank than a healer who can't manage his/her mana, but in this case it's probably worth asking. If the two tanks knew you were healing both of them, picking up the slack for two dead healers, if they could've quickly given you LoH they might have. It's not like anyone should've been expecting you to heal that much, and they really did need you to have mana.
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Zarra
Yes it is reasonable to ask for a LoH, if it isnt given to anyone else. Since you were burdened with healing so much more because of the deaths, you ran out of mana. If they have LoH glyphed even better for you. But a tank would not have it glyphed.
Personally, I save LoH for the tank if gets very low and i don't think i can cast a HolyLight fast enough. But if you are in dire need of mana then you should get the LoH, the tanks will probably be fine without it.
Don't hesitate to ask for it, but don't be surprised if they are hesitant to cast it on you. Also, tanks dont need to face the raid and start manually searching for people. They just click on their raid frame (without turning or anything) and cast LoH, then back to facerolling hammer of justice
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MischievousLoki
I'm always throwing my LoH to healers that need it. Usually it's something like "Could I get an innervate?" "On cooldown" *LoH* "Enjoy mana."
I don't even have to worry about a mouseover macro or anything like that for my LoH when I'm tanking. When it's that far in the fight the only thing that matters is I'm facing the boss and using holy shield/trinkets every cooldown. Oh no, I lost some TPS time when I'm 250k threat in the lead!
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Lorkin
You said you were down to 4% on KT. If either of the Paladins used LoH on you or themselves, you probably would have survived long enough to down him. I guess in that case it wouldn't have mattered. Did you use a Mana pot during the fight? Were there any other people pitching in for heals? Even the MT or OT could probably heal themselves especially with Divine Plea up 100% of the time. There are a lot of escape options at 4%, but I can't say because there's a lot of info missing.
If you are asking if LoH is a viable mini innervate, sure I guess. 2k mana could go a long way but then again it could be spent too fast in a 25 man Heroic especially if you are raid healing. The question is if it would have made a difference or not.
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Lorkin
Well there are two glaring issues that I see right off the bat. Why didn't the shaman's ankh themselves? Also what was the OT doing when the adds appeared? If the healers died from the adds, then the OT was fail. And as you mentioned, with that many locks SS's probably would've saved the day.
There are a lot of things going on during KT, especially 25 man. With all the MC's and shackles, adds, and ranged issues, and having to worry about Void Zones / Shadow Fissures, it sounds like you did a good job getting as far as you did. We generally save our battle res'es for the healers or tanks that happen to die, but perhaps you didn't have a druid. So you had a 25 man raid with no mana replenishments, no druids for battle res, and shamsn's who blow their ankh's early? Hmm . . .
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MischievousLoki
Edit: or standing in things. I mean I know it's a rare occurrence where standing in something the boss puts down is bad, but people should be ready for that rare occasion where standing in something is bad.
Hahaha
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runtodarkness
Generally healing paladins will use LoH on the tank, or themselves if they're desperate for mana.
Or they can get the minor glyph too so they could just pop off LoH on the tank AND get the mana... Well, I think the glyph is minor...
Yeah, but I'm a tankadin and I figure if I'm going to LoH myself for one full health bar or LoH the healer for their mana, they probably get more options with a little mana than I get with a little health. I've LoH'd the healer before, and I'll probably do it again in the future.
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MischievousLoki
Generally healing paladins will use LoH on the tank, or themselves if they're desperate for mana.
Or they can get the minor glyph too so they could just pop off LoH on the tank AND get the mana... Well, I think the glyph is minor...
Yeah, but I'm a tankadin and I figure if I'm going to LoH myself for one full health bar or LoH the healer for their mana, they probably get more options with a little mana than I get with a little health. I've LoH'd the healer before, and I'll probably do it again in the future.
It's a major glyph and if you have it and cast LoH on yourself you get both the mana that would go to the target (because the target is you) and the mana that would go to you from the glyph. It's called Glyph of Divinity. It also doubles the mana granted by lay on hands. Overall you get 7800 mana when you use it on yourself like this.
Paired with Glyph of Lay on Hands and Improved Lay on Hands, it's like an 11 minute mana potion (except it's bigger.)
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Lorkin
Paired with Glyph of Lay on Hands and Improved Lay on Hands, it's like an 11 minute mana potion (except it's bigger.)
Yes, but generally only Holy Paladins use those glyphs.
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