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After 3.1 whats the best dps spec?
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twsX
Math says FB/TTW > Arcance > FFB.
FB/TTW requires 17% hit, Arcane 11%, FFB 14%, all without external modifiers.
Usually, matching your spec with the hit rating you have makes sense.
However, if you have ~13-14% hit rating, FB/TTW may already be stronger than FFB, even if you miss 3-4% of your spells.
Also, Arcane doesn't scale well with high-end gear, so unless that is changed, i guess it's safe to say that FB/TTW is currently the strongest raiding spec.
For spec examples, check the sticky thread(s).
Obviously, it's always a good thing to just go with what's the most fun of you.
I wouldn't advise you to raid with Frost, even if you love it, but FB/Arcane/FFB are all "viable" raiding specs, so take your pick.
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Achloryn
However, if you have ~13-14% hit rating, FB/TTW may already be stronger than FFB, even if you miss 3-4% of your spells.
allow me to say as kindly as I can that this is REALLY BAD ADVICE.
don't switch to a spec without being hit capped (or at least able to make up for it knowing that there's a boomkin/shadow priest in the raid).
i am no mathemetician or theorycrafting extraordinaire, but missing 3-4% of the time is gonna equal out to a LOT OF ZEROS in your DPS charts, which will bring your damage done and your dps (and your mana efficiency, etc etc) wayyyyy down. all those zeros really add up.. especially on long fights or over the course of the entire raid.
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twsX
However, if you have ~13-14% hit rating, FB/TTW may already be stronger than FFB, even if you miss 3-4% of your spells.
allow me to say as kindly as I can that this is REALLY BAD ADVICE.
don't switch to a spec without being hit capped (or at least able to make up for it knowing that there's a boomkin/shadow priest in the raid).
i am no mathemetician or theorycrafting extraordinaire, but missing 3-4% of the time is gonna equal out to a LOT OF ZEROS in your DPS charts, which will bring your damage done and your dps (and your mana efficiency, etc etc) wayyyyy down. all those zeros really add up.. especially on long fights or over the course of the entire raid.
I disagree.
I didn't do the math behind this, but:
When i rerolled to a new mage a couple of weeks ago, i switched from FFB to FB/TTW with something around 13% hit and 1700 SP, and i noticed a substantial damage increase, somewhere around 300 DPS.
Of course i agree that you should always be hit-capped, but it seems to me that the margin FB/TTW has towards FFB is enough to make up for 2-3% missing hit.
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Achloryn
However, if you have ~13-14% hit rating, FB/TTW may already be stronger than FFB, even if you miss 3-4% of your spells.
allow me to say as kindly as I can that this is REALLY BAD ADVICE.
don't switch to a spec without being hit capped (or at least able to make up for it knowing that there's a boomkin/shadow priest in the raid).
i am no mathemetician or theorycrafting extraordinaire, but missing 3-4% of the time is gonna equal out to a LOT OF ZEROS in your DPS charts, which will bring your damage done and your dps (and your mana efficiency, etc etc) wayyyyy down. all those zeros really add up.. especially on long fights or over the course of the entire raid.
I disagree.
I didn't do the math behind this, but:
When i rerolled to a new mage a couple of weeks ago, i switched from FFB to FB/TTW with something around 13% hit and 1700 SP, and i noticed a substantial damage increase, somewhere around 300 DPS.
Of course i agree that you should always be hit-capped, but it seems to me that the margin FB/TTW has towards FFB is enough to make up for 2-3% missing hit.
just out of curiosity, what was your crit rating for FFB when you made the switch? there's a pretty good chance that a lot of that was/is RNG based.
FFB is ridiculously streaky, and I hate that about it. and there's no point in denying that fireball scales much better with spellpower than frostfire does. however, i still feel like that if you miss even a couple times in a boss fight that just... it's wasted mana and wasted dps.
don't worry.. i'm not a number cruncher either, so i very well could be way off about this.
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Achloryn
The idea here is what you're giving up in order to get the extra hit or to reach hit cap.
for example
Without hit cap - 101% damage not counting hit rating, 1% miss rate
With his cap - 100% damage, 0% miss rate
1.01 * .99 = .9999
1 * 1 = 1
That's the basic weighting between hit and other stats. However, this is more useful when you're first gearing up at max level. As things progress - everyone tends to hoard hit gear and you'll have more options so the likelihood is that 1% hit won't actually cost the 1% paper-no hit-damage.
Right, i understand this... sorta, lol. But he said he switched to fire/ttw at 13% hit. I just assumed that he wasn't running with a boomkin or shadow priest (simply cause he didn't mention that he was).
If it was only 1% off, then sure that's not a big deal. But if he was the full 4% off (for no spriest/boomie) then that is a lot more damage to be sacrificing.
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Pens1566
1.7k SP is reeeaaaalllly low for any kind of correctly chanted/gemm'd gear needed to successfully pull off FB/TTW in anything above heroics. It's basically the amount of SP you'd have in blues/heroics ...
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twsX
Achloryn:
I don't really remember what my crit rating was at the time, sorry.
Also, as i've mentioned, i can't be 100% sure as i haven't done the math.
All i know is that i've re-specced from FFB to FB/TTW on two different mages, both of which were in the 1.7k/13% area, and both times my overall damage output was increased afterwards.
And of course i'm talking about raids, not heroics. :)
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