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Post by
Rankkor
hey maybe he's following blackhand in his atttitude, and also on his architecture, and then he will follow him on his death too :P
remember thrall holds doomhammer's armor and weapon.
and it was doomhammer that killed blackhand.
this is really just wishfull thinking but perhaps thrall and garrosh are meant to reincarnate the old fight between doomhammer and blackhand.
(of course needless to say if that happens i'ts gonna be SO EPIC THAT FEW WORDS WILL BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IT)
Post by
Skreeran
Nah, probably not epic... :P Thrall just dodges Garrosh's strike and *bonk*... No more Garrosh.
Or Thrall says "Spirit of the Wilds, if Garrosh usurps me as Warchief, there will be many needless deaths for both our people and those of the Alliance. Many, many lives will be spared by his death," and boom. Garrosh falls down, Death Note style.
Post by
HiVolt
Actually, Thrall hold's Blackhand's armor. Doomhammer took it from him when he killed him, signifying his position as Warchief.
Post by
Adamsm
Well, if you think about it, Thrall was born one year after the Dark Portal was opened, and Garrosh was left on Draenor by his father, so he's at least that old... :P I just can't believe it didn't hit me sooner. It also means Saurfang the "Younger" is actually older than Thrall... :P
Yeah that's a little wrong Skreeran heh, Thrall was born just before Gul'dan and the Shadow Council sent the assassins, after Durotan and Draka told Doomhammer about the Shadow council itself. That was one of the other reasons why Doomhammer killed the Shadow Council; because they killed his best friend and his wife. Thrall was born near the end of the First War, and Garrosh was 15 at the end of Rise of the Horde.
As for the new look of Orgimmar.....
Post by
Skreeran
Yeah that's a little wrong Skreeran heh, Thrall was born just before Gul'dan and the Shadow Council sent the assassins, after Durotan and Draka told Doomhammer about the Shadow council itself. That was one of the other reasons why Doomhammer killed the Shadow Council; because they killed his best friend and his wife. Thrall was born near the end of the First War, and Garrosh was 15 at the end of Rise of the Horde.Am I reading that right? Thrall was definitely born before Durotan told Orgrim. And I don't have access to Wowwiki right now, but I'm pretty certain Thrall was born 1 yr ADP.
Post by
Adamsm
Found it:
First War 0 (Year 592 by the King's Calendar)
The Dark Portal and the Fall of Stormwind begins»
1
The Dark Portal and the Fall of Stormwind ends«
Warcraft: Orcs & Humans begins»
The Last Guardian (Past) ends«
The Last Guardian
4
Warcraft: Orcs & Humans ends«
5
Cycle of Hatred (Past) ends«
The Alliance of Lordaeron
Thrall was only one when Blackmoore found him, that's why he was able to wetnurse with Taretha's mother. If he had been born 1 year ADP, he would have been 3-4 when Blackmoore's people found him, from reading Lord of the Clans and then Tides of Darkness/Beyond the Dark Portal, it sounds like Durotan and Draka told Doomhammer their news, were killed on the way back, the First War ends with razing of Stormwind and the Shadow Council's death. Blackmoore finds Thrall and hides him in Durnholde, the 2nd war occurs, Thrall is being raised in secret as again, Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal occur.
It's not mentioned much(for some reason) but in Rise of the Lich King, Arthas travels to Durnholde to watch a Thrall match, and Blackmoore offers him Taretha for the night, and from the way it sounds there, it's 1-2 years before Thrall escapes.
Post by
Skreeran
Thrall (birthname Go'el), son of Durotan (born 2 years ADP), is the warchief of the restored shamanistic Horde, and ruler of the red land of Durotar in Kalimdor. In World of Warcraft, he is a level ? (Boss) faction leader located in Grommash Hold in the Valley of Wisdom, in the orcish city of Orgrimmar, and inside the dungeon of Durnholde Keep in the Old Hillsbrad Foothills instance. He can also occasionally be found at the Mag'har stronghold of Garadar in Nagrand.I was pretty damned close... :P
Post by
Adamsm
Yes, yes you were, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand gernades.
Post by
Skreeran
Yes, yes you were, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand gernades.Don't forget Government Work. ;)
Post by
Rankkor
the important part here is: now that thrall's age has been clarified (can someone pls say a specific number here?)
is he or is he not older than garrosh?
also, is my guess correct on orcish culture? do they put great respect on their elders ,and the word of an old orc is worth a lot more than the words of a younger one?
Post by
Skreeran
Garrosh is definitely older than Thrall.
And I I'm not sure, but I think age is only a secondary cause for respect. Grom was highly respected when he became Warchief at a very young age, because of what he had done. I think, just as gender isn't a concern (you're judged by your deeds rather than your sex), age is similar. If you're older but haven't done anything noteworthy, you're not respected as much as if you were young and did a lot. But I'm not sure, I'm just going on what I've observed.
Post by
Adamsm
Looks like he would be 32-35 at this point, with Garrosh.... wait, that would mean Garrosh is somewhere between 47-50... I'm guessing Orc's age a lot different then humans do.
Garrosh would have been 19-20 when Thrall was born.
Post by
HiVolt
the important part here is: now that thrall's age has been clarified (can someone pls say a specific number here?)
is he or is he not older than garrosh?
also, is my guess correct on orcish culture? do they put great respect on their elders ,and the word of an old orc is worth a lot more than the words of a younger one?
Well, I'm pretty sure Thrall's about 28-31 years old, but I'm still not convinced that Garrosh is older. And I would venture to say that position would hold a lot of sway over the opinion of one orc about another. After all, Grom Hellscream was fairly young when he first became chieftain of the Warsong, as was Doomhammer when he became chieftain of the Blackrock and the Warchief.
Post by
Skreeran
Well, I'm pretty sure Thrall's about 28-31 years old, but I'm still not convinced that Garrosh is older.Garrosh was born before the Dark Portal (hence the brown skin), Thrall was born after, 'nuff said.
Post by
Adamsm
Looks like he would be 32-35 at this point, with Garrosh.... wait, that would mean Garrosh is somewhere between 47-50... I'm guessing Orc's age a lot different then humans do.
Garrosh would have been 19-20 when Thrall was born. Sorry should have been more clear, was looking at the timeline on wowwiki, that's what I meant by "looks like". And yeah, in Rise of the Horde, they show Grom saying good bye to his son as he travels through the portal.
Post by
HiVolt
Sorry should have been more clear, was looking at the timeline on wowwiki, that's what I meant by "looks like". And yeah, in Rise of the Horde, they show Grom saying good bye to his son as he travels through the portal. Do you mean the book? Or a Rise of the Horde that I'm unfamiliar with? Because I don't remember anything being said about Grom saying goodbye to his son in the book.
Post by
Adamsm
It's got to be the quaratine thing, as Draka and Durotan, as well as most of the Frostwolves were turned Green by the land corruption as the warlock magics spread across Draenor. I don't think the Blood Curse had anything to do with them changing colour, but I could be wrong of course.
As for the other thing.... your right, Grom stayed behind on Draenor for the first war, but the Warsong were one of those chosen by Ner'zhul to "guard" the Azeroth side of the Dark Portal in Beyond the Dark Portal, and choose to remain on Azeroth instead of running back to Outland when the Death Knights(first generation) fled through it.
Do you mean the book? Or a Rise of the Horde that I'm unfamiliar with? Because I don't remember anything being said about Grom saying goodbye to his son in the book. Yeah, again, sorry, got them mixed up.
Post by
HiVolt
It's got to be the quaratine thing, as Draka and Durotan, as well as most of the Frostwolves were turned Green by the land corruption as the warlock magics spread across Draenor. I don't think the Blood Curse had anything to do with them changing colour, but I could be wrong of course.
As for the other thing.... your right, Grom stayed behind on Draenor for the first war, but the Warsong were one of those chosen by Ner'zhul to "guard" the Azeroth side of the Dark Portal, and choose to remain on Azeroth instead of running back to Outland when the Death Knights(first generation) fled through it.
Do you mean the book? Or a Rise of the Horde that I'm unfamiliar with? Because I don't remember anything being said about Grom saying goodbye to his son in the book. Yeah, again, sorry, got them mixed up.
I guess I should re-post my idea on the situation, after I read your post, I thought "DOWHANAO!" so I hastily deleted to try to avoid looking stupid.
This is what it was in a nutshell for those who didn't see it.
Grom didn't leave until the later part of the second war.
Grom's mate was part of the orcs in quarantine in Nagrad.
Before he left, they made babies.
Orcs in Nagrand are Uncorrupted, therefore Garrosh was born brown-skinned, and after Thrall.
But back to the matter, how old exactly was Garrosh when Grom left? Babyish? Toddlerish? I know he can't be that much older than Thrall, if at all.
Post by
Adamsm
Again, I think there was a reference to Garrosh being about 15 but I can't remember if it was in Rise of the Horde or if it was in Tides of Darkness/Beyond the Dark Portal. If it was in Rise of the Horde, he is older then Thrall, if it is in the other two.... he would be a 3-5 years younger then Thrall.
Post by
Skreeran
Hmm... You know what, I never realized Grom didn't come through until the Second War... Well, I guess you learn something every day... :P
But still, Thrall was born green and his parents didn't even drink the blood, I'm certain that Garrosh would be at least greenish if his father was already green when he was conceived.
Edit: And I'm looking at the Garrosh Wowwiki page and I don't see anything about him being referenced in a book.
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