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Vindication vs. Rightious Vengeance
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Post by
Overhaul
Hi, i have been working on perfecting my ret spec now for a few days, and have hit a snag.
This
is my current spec i am considering for PvP.
My snag:
Is
Vindication's
> or <
Rightious Vengeance
.
It is a minor question since it is only 1 talent point, but i want to make my spec fit me the best it can. Any help would be much appreciated, and any math would be great so i can defend my spec to ppl who question it. Any criticisms are also welcomed.
Post by
Escutcheon
Personally I take vindication which is a boon when fighting other melee classes. (though completely worthless against casters!) The biggest drawback for me with Righteous Vengeance is that the dot will break Repentance; which I don't like happening. Otherwise the dot damage is, well it's small but it's not completely unnoticeable. I think most rets spec away from it simply for the points being of better use somewhere else.
As far as your spec, it looks pretty good - personally I opted out of the imp. HoJ, most likely due to the fact that my main is a Warrior and I just can't abide fears.
Post by
blademeld
Move points out of Imp BoM and into Vindication and 1/3 Righteous Vengeance.
Unless you use BoM over BoK in PvP that is...
Post by
Overhaul
What is wrong with using BoM over BoK in PvP?
Post by
239153
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Post by
Overhaul
:D good point zw4512, i never thought of that. So i guess Rightious Vengeance has many down sides besides breaking ur Repentance.
Post by
blademeld
It's not a downside, it's just that Resilence makes RV that much weaker.
The best part about RV is that it's a debuff.
A buffer for the better debuffs to stay in place, like judgements or Vindication.
BoK gives you hp, mana and ap, and more hp is always good in PvP
Post by
Overhaul
Thanks blade, i this always persumed BoM was the blessing of choice, i guess i will have 2 talent points more then.
Edit: is it really wise to put 1 talent point into 1/3 RV after seeing all these downsides to it Blade?
Post by
blademeld
Like I said, it's a buffer, it's not there to do damage.
Post by
Squishalot
I was under the impression that Resilience no longer affects the damage done by DoTs? Or was that just drains?
BoM is the choice for extra damage, but BoK gives you more flexibility in PvP.
Personally, I'd find another useless talent to put the point from RV, due to the Repentance breaking effect.
Post by
frmorrison
RV is still a powerful PvP talent. It does a lot of damage (DoTs were fixed to not get double hurt by resilience), and while it will break Repentance, don't use it on someone with the debuff up!
You want to spec something like 5/11/55
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVZVGzZVfrxbIuGdIbsu:0au
.
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287871
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Post by
Quest
You guys need to differentiate between PvP and arena.
Vindication and no resilience is fine in non-
arena
settings. It just doesn't matter in BGs unless youre in a two sided premade full of arena goers. Otherwise its a burst-fest. I am regularly top damage done and KB and I have zero resilience.
This
might
change with rated BGs. Though only in the higher grades.
Post by
Overhaul
Actually, to be more specific, this is for those pesky 1v1 world PvP ganks, and for 1v1 duels outside org and SW (persume they are PvP geared since many on my PvP server that gank are).
Edit: spelling and grammar.
Post by
Quest
For duels and ganks I would not get Vindication.
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Post by
Squishalot
For duels and ganks I would not get Vindication.
Most people who'd gank a Paladin are typically casters, in which case, Vindication is practically useless.
Post by
Overhaul
Alright, i can see BoK>BoM when ur gear gets much better, since when u have 4500 AP (ik it is hard to reach) and 10% from kings gives 450AP and 10% more agility to boost crit and armor value and 10% more stam for HP would make BoK over BoM a great tradeoff.
So if i have that "great" gear, would:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVhZVGzoZVfMxdIuGdIbsz
or
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#scZVGzuMZVfMxdIuGdIbsz
be the way to go?
Lets consider i am doing arena since i do get jumped by melee a lot, even though they should know they don't stand a chance.
Edit: if both aren't good, plz give me another spec, ik eye 4 an eye isn't exactly the best, but if Righteous Vengeance does break Repentance it is sort of dangerous to mess with. I am making this spec for personal uses and to help others optimize their spec.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Alright, i can see BoK>BoM when ur gear gets much better, since when u have 4500 AP (ik it is hard to reach) and 10% from kings gives 450AP and 10% more agility to boost crit and armor value and 10% more stam for HP would make BoK over BoM a great tradeoff.
So if i have that "great" gear, would:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sVhZVGzoZVfMxdIuGdIbsz
or
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#scZVGzuMZVfMxdIuGdIbsz
be the way to go?
Lets consider i am doing arena since i do get jumped by melee a lot, even though they should know they don't stand a chance.
Kings doesn't increase AP by 10%,
only base stats
.
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