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Skreeran
OMFG, did Delterius just defend the Alliance?
Anyways, after reading Sylvanas' page on Wowwiki, I think its safe to say that she started the whole thing.Where? It's useful to use solid quotes instead of just general feeling of an article.
and the ones on that list just defended them selves,Prove it.
the Apocityies and the Deathguard all support the destruction of humanity, judging by the Tristfal quests.Well, most of the RAS is dead, and the Deathguards don't really have a solid opinion. Deathguards are just guards. It's like saying Stormwind Guards all support the destruction of the orcs. It's not a very solid statement.
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The former high elf Sylvanas Windrunner rallied many of the newly freed undead to counter the Dreadlords' efforts. Sylvanas was amazingly successful and not only crused the Dreadlords' forces, but also utterly destroyed the last major contingent of human forces in Lordaeron.Well, there's no citation on that for one, so it could just be a guess or assumption. We still have lots and lots of Scarlet Crusade, in addition to the humans living in Hillsbrad and Arathi Highlands. Second, we don't have the context. It may very well mean the humans that were killed in service of Detheroc. I certainly saw a lot more humans killed by the Forsaken there than after Garithos was killed. It's quite possible that Garithos' forces managed to leave, knowing they were beat.
You prove that they were killing Forsaken for fun.Didn't say it was for fun. The list said the humans "murdered" Forsaken. You said it was in self-defense, offering no proof to your claim. So prove it. Unless you're just assuming...
Finally, there is no annoucment about RAS being dead, since Sylvanas is in the dog house with the Horde after Wrathgate.
... Im guessing they keep thier bussiness away from the Horde and players eyes...I'm afraid I don't understand your statement. I said the RAS is mostly dead, and mainly the genocidal ones that would (and did) use the Blight on the Alliance.
And the Deathguard squad was made by Varimatras, Im guessing they are all evil.You're thinking of the Defilers. The Deathguards are just basically guards.
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And "Noes, da olde hordies did it"= Not a excuse
why not? they had diferent leadership, diferent prioritys, and a diferent agenda, not to mention that they were under the efects of the bloodlust, wich didn't made them think clearly, and just basically sent them into a murderous rage.
think about the worgen, they are under the effects of a curse, wich when not controlled can make them prone to extreme violence and murderous rampage, but when they hold their rage in check, they act like people even being able to reverse back to human form.
same goes for the orcs, they were aflicted by the blood-pact with the demons (and no, even on tides of darkness this blood-pact wasn't faded) and this made them irrational, reckless, violent, and worst.
the new horde is diferent, no longer aflicted by the old demonic fire, and instead guided by shamanism.
admit it or not, varian can't get over the fact that a "green-skinned harlot" killed his father, and just because of her, all who share her blood must die.
(BTW, what did we talk about personal atacks? do I have to report you for harrasment again? do you really can't post your opinions without messing up with others?, I mean it dude, stop bashing me, bash my arguments but not me, I'm not being hostile to you in any way)
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Skreeran
Im pretty sure that it means she scoured all over Lordaeron killing any human she could find. How can you yell at the humans for living in Arathi? Its thier land! The foundation of humanity!... Now I see why the Forsaken want to for themselves...But they
are
still living in Arathi. If you're referring to AB, I'd like to remind you that the Defilers worked under Varimathras, not Sylvanas.
You cant prove they were murdered for being what they are as much as I cant prove it was self defence.But you claiming that it was self-defense is a claim. You are
assuming
it was self-defense. All we know is that they were murdered, and so the Forsaken retaliated. You can't say it was in self-defense unless you can back it up.
I might as well claim that there is a teapot floating in space somewhere between Earth and Mars.
My statment meant that there is no proof RAS was called off, and if it still goes on, its away from the public eye.Well, the RAS isn't inherently evil, first of all. Yes, there are members that we know still exist, but many are simple Apothecaries, not necessarily developing/using blight. Second, if they are, out of public eye...
1. How do you know? Can you prove it?
2. If so, how can you blame the Horde?
Look up Deathguard
The Deathguard are a type of Forsaken guard. They are mostly stationed in the Tirisfal Glades, Silverpine Forest, and the Hillsbrad Foothills. The Forsaken have a special contingent called the Deathguard, which wanders Silverpine on constant patrol. Capable of enduring conditions under which any mortal would perish, the tireless Deathguard can march for days, even weeks, at a time and never grow tired. The Forsaken will often disguise themselves as dead or dying soldiers in the colors of intruding forces. Sometimes, the Deathguard will dig ambushes, lying still under the earth to erupt forth upon the proper signal.Varimathras isn't mentioned once there, and that's the entire article.
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And if you have read ToD, you will see Orgrim saying how the inhabitents must be masscured so they can escape the blood taint.He means that they must kill the humans in order to settle the new world. The orcs were still very much under the Burning Legion's influence. The Blood Pact lasts (and lasted) until Mannoroth dies/died.
there Doomhammer destroying stormwind and being idolized to this day,Blackhand.
Rexxar who was NEVER under the blood pact saying the horde was justified in the First and Second wars,Well, Rexxar made a point. They would have died of starvation and infighting had they not come to Azeroth.
him losing Bolvar because the horde failed to keep themselves in check,They were betrayed. The Horde can't blame the Alliance for Onyxia, can they?
and the Forsaken experimenting on humans of all alligences for years while the main government of the Horde wants "peace".It's quite possible Thrall didn't know about this. He does want peace. Peace is good. Peace means people live. Peace means happiness. War means death. War means pain.
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1.I think its because she is being watched a lot more now, so I cant prove it, but neither can you prove its closed. Sylvanas sounds to persistant to give up though.
2. Because Forsaken are Horde. Wrathgate was not all thier fault, but if somthing like that happens again, it will be.1. If we don't see them, and there's no proof they're still there, we can logically assume they're not there. If it looks like a duck, you know...
2. If it's out of public eye, how can you blame the Horde? I mean, you could blame Sylvanas if she knew, but if Thrall couldn't know, you can't really blame him.
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Blackhand? Your the one who linked me the battles of the first war, and the in-game book saying Doomhammer did it. If Blackhand did it, we would have heard it from Gul'dan, which we did not. Wasn't this settled earlier in the thread? Blackhand lead the attack on Stormwind, razed it, he and Gul'dan sent Garona after Llane, expecting her to die in there. Doomhammer found her, beat the hell out of her to get the information about the shadow council, Doomhammer kills Blackhand and all of the Council but comatose Gul'dan and Cho'gall.
Seriously, stop beating the dead horse already, just let the carcass rot. (sorry, havent had any sleep since yesterday so if I'm surly, blame it on that.)
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