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Post by
Skreeran
now xenophobic works.
now this was brilliant bro' :D since enlgish is not my main language I didn't remembered the correct word for describing varian's attitude to the orcs, and yhea I know racist is not quite the right one since that would only aply to black humans or whatever.
Xenophobic is the right word.
thanks bro' for pointing that out =)Well, racist works too.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race
6. the human race or family; humankind:
Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race
.Which can also natually apply to another group. "The Orc race or family; orckind"
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.Which makes sense.
8. a natural kind of living creature:
the race of fishes
.Which could certainly include orcs.
9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons:
Journalists are an interesting race
.Again, you could use this to classify orcs as a race.
Post by
Patty
your point is? just cause you like the Horde doesn't mean his actions were wrong.Genocide isn't wrong at all, right? /end sarcasm. Varian is not aggresive enough and let the enemy get landKek. Tyrande is the head of the Night Elf Government. Not Varian. Tyrande Whisperwind (pronounced Ti-Ran-da) is the high priestess of Elune, leader of the Sisters of Elune, and the official head of the night elf government. Proof. what Varian needs to do is storm into org kill Thrall get out plain and simple.And act just as bad as Garona, just without the mind-controlled from birth bit? Yeh, nice one. As well as kill the Orc holding the Horde from obliterating Theramore and leading offenses on the Alliance. No wise leader would monger a War which is un-needed.
Where's your logic?
Post by
taurenmoo812
what Varian needs to do is storm into org kill Thrall get out plain and simple.And act just as bad as Garona, just without the mind-controlled from birth bit? Yeh, nice one. As well as kill the Orc holding the Horde from obliterating Theramore and leading offenses on the Alliance. No wise leader would monger a War which is un-needed.
Where's your logic?
His logic is based on varian-fandom, which is up there with 'I don't like how you lookin at me, I smash you face in'.
In other words, failed logic.
Post by
Adamsm
what Varian needs to do is storm into org kill Thrall get out plain and simple.Little hard to do that when your enemy can speak to the Earth and know your coming... or the Water or the Air, damn Shaman's cheat heh.
Post by
Rankkor
what Varian needs to do is storm into org kill Thrall get out plain and simple
varian dares to do taht and just like that in no time flat becomes the world's number 1 enemy.
let's put aside that 90% of the players ,both alliance and horde love thrall a lot, most if not all factions, neutral or otherwise love him too.
you could easily count how many players hate thrall, it's too hard to hate him he's almost the "obi wan kenobi" of warcraft, with a bit of yoda trowed on the sides, and a scrap of windu for the badass final touch.
varian it's at best an anakim wanna-be, without powers of course.
and most improtantly, the world itself, no other shaman has achieved the conection to the land as thrall has, to kill him means to evoke the wrath of azeroth itself, and u don't wanna do that believe me.
varo'then tried it with malfurion and look how that turned out for him.
I think is important for all the leaders horde or alliance to admit that there are higher powers in this world that know more than you could ever hope to.
so long as you honestly can admit that, u can do a good job leading, tyrande trusts in the wisdom of elune, velen on the naaru, thrall on the elements of the land, cairne on the earthmother.
and these 4 are to me the best leaders the game has.
like the old platon said, the first step to wisdom is admit that u simply don't know.
but mister varian is too proud to admit that he's wrong about the horde.
the atack at theramoore wasn't the horde's fault but varian will NEVER admit it, he is so blinded by hate and pride that he prefers to go to war than resume the peace meeting with the horde, he will not admit that he's wrong, whereas other leaders have admited to be wrong in the past and got wiser for it.
Little hard to do that when your enemy can speak to the Earth and know your coming... or the Water or the Air, damn Shaman's cheat heh.
you forgot that thrall reincarnates xD
Post by
Adamsm
and most improtantly, the world itself, no other shaman has achieved the conection to the land as thrall has, to kill him means to evoke the wrath of azeroth itself, and u don't wanna do that believe me.That.... I doubt, the Spirits are not vengeful beings, if they were, they would have slapped down any number of evils over the years. They are a very forgiving lot, after all they did come back to the Orc's after the insanity of the dark years on Draenor and all the madness that occured there. I'm sorry Rankkorr but if Thrall died, they would be sad to lose someone of his power, but they would merely continue on as they had always been.
Post by
Patty
I agree. The death of Thrall would probably be sad for the Spirits, but they wouldn't go zerk probably.
Post by
Skreeran
The orcs, trolls and tauren, on the other hand...
Post by
Rankkor
awww, yhea, after reading a bit closer the part where the world get's angry at varo'then I realized it wasn't because he tried to kill Malfurion who also shares a good conection with the land.
it was because he sold out azeroth to sageras, Devourer of Worlds.
my bad.
Still, out of the 5 horde leaders, the 2 that least want war with the alliance are thrall and cairne.
heck it would be more inteligent to try and remove sylvannas or the blood elf leader since tehy are a bit more hostile, but removing the only reason the horde hasn't responded to varian's "fourth war" wouldn't be very smart.
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Post by
Arkham
after all they had it comming for turning into radicalistic terrorists (yhea, to me the scarlets are the closest thing to terrorists in wow)Seriously? Because the Scarlet Crusade has a right to the lands of Lordaeron just like the Forsaken do.
I won't say they're not extremist in many of their philosophies, they definitely are. And their refusal (or inability) to see the Forsaken as separate from the Scourge is a big mistake. But to say they're "terrorists" by wanting to eradicate the undead and retake their homeland, and that they deserve to be fatally experimented on, is going too far IMO.
Post by
Rankkor
after all they had it comming for turning into radicalistic terrorists (yhea, to me the scarlets are the closest thing to terrorists in wow)Seriously? Because the Scarlet Crusade has a right to the lands of Lordaeron just like the Forsaken do.
I won't say they're not extremist in many of their philosophies, they definitely are. And their refusal (or inability) to see the Forsaken as separate from the Scourge is a big mistake. But to say they're "terrorists" by wanting to eradicate the undead and retake their homeland, and that they deserve to be fatally experimented on, is going too far IMO.
even when this is deviating a bit from what the thread is about (varian) I'll clarifiy miself a bit.
the scarlets want more than just purge all undead from the world.
that was their original goal, to kill all forsaken and scourge, but now they see everything and everyone including other humans as plages on the land, they see them as heathens, pagans, unbelievers that don't serve the light strong enough, and thus.
as of WOTLK the scarlet onslaught believes that all life on azeroth that doesn't wear their color must die.
quotes? I'll look'em up for ya bro.
but take it from me, they now hate EVERYONE not just forsaken, not just scourge, E-VERY-ONE of the living and unliving creatures of azeroth that refuses to join them.
edit: well I've found this quote I wonder how he imagines that he's going to conquer the world once he's taken down the Lich King?
from the ebon captain arete after he reads the letter from admiral westwind (leader of the crusade)
he brainwashed the troops, into make-believe that they will defeat the lich king and then proceed on a holy crusade across azeroth to purge it from the heatens and the unworthy.
I'll continue to look up more proof to this.
Post by
Adamsm
Onslaught: Led by Mal'Ganis
Crusade: Led from behind the scenes by Balznaar
But yeah, the Crusade is a very corrupt and dark thing..... which is why most of the "good" people abandoned it and joined up the Argent Dawn/Crusade. Kind of ironic, that Varian hates the Crusade like the rest of Azeroth, yet they hold the same ideals everyone seems to think he does.
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Post by
Adamsm
All I ask Darkton, don't multi post, remember you can do without needing to hit the quote box button over and over again, and if you need to quote mulitple replys, open a notepad and copy and paste them into there.
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Post by
Arkham
that was their original goal, to kill all forsaken and scourge, but now they see everything and everyone including other humans as plages on the land, they see them as heathens, pagans, unbelievers that don't serve the light strong enough, and thus.That is largely due to the influence of the Dreadlords in their organization.
If we're saying that the Orcs are not to blame for their demonic corruption (and that does seem to be the prevailing attitude on this forum) then why should the Scarlets be considered any differently?
all those leaders disliked each otherWait, all of them? I'd always heard that Roosevelt and Churchill got along fine.
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Post by
Adamsm
That is largely due to the influence of the Dreadlords in their organization.
If we're saying that the Orcs are not to blame for their demonic corruption (and that does seem to be the prevailing attitude on this forum) then why should the Scarlets be considered any differently?Because a lot of the members they picked up were like them in thoughts, people who already had a hatred of the other races and believed that human's were the supreme spieces on the planet, even over their old allies the dwarves and the elvish race. Again, those who were able to see just where the Scarlet's were heading split and joined up with Argents, escaping the xenophobia within the ranks.
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