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Post by
Rankkor
Likley changed due to his return.Have to disagree there; Blizzard hasn't updated the quests at this point so even with Varian in Stormwind, when you do the questline in Redridge to ask for help, General Marcus says no, and the Westfall Garrison and Darkshire groups still say that they are being left out in the cold from assistence from Stormwind.
on this part I agree with darkton.
from a lore point of view westfall is now reinforced with stormwind troops, same for duskwood, but for gameplay reasons these zones remain the same for the newer players.
most likely on cataclysm we will see the changes implemented.
still that doesn't change the subject dark, back when varian was under-mind-controll (wich happened before he was kidnapped) all these tows were lawless lands, where brigands and thieves ruled the land, and the people had to improvise militas because their king was sitting on his ass doing nothing to protect them.
and that is a crime, a king is bound by duty to protect their lands, varian failed on this regard, but his failure happened due to mind-controll and it was forgiven.
again just cuz garona's crime was more personal doesn't make it more dire or grave or anything, she still killed 1 man, and against her will.
varian let hundreds die, against his will.
if one was forgiven, so should the other.
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229054
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Post by
Patty
the dead horse can stay dead.
Yay! I was almost OOM after all the resurrects... :D
Post by
Rankkor
I decided not to respond and let you win, so the dead horse can stay dead.
if you decided not to respond, also decide not to use garona as an excuse for varian's actions, because if his crimes could be forgiven, due to his mind.controll then so should hers.
garona is as inocent as varian is.
both were victims of mind-controll.
I'll let the dead horse rest, but darkton must let it rest too.
how?
darkton doesn't mention garona as a justification for varian's actions.
and I won't bring back again the whole "if varian's crimes could be forgiven due to his mind-controll then the same for garona"
if anyone uses garona as a justification for varian's actions (thus bringing the dead horse back to life) then so will I.
end of story
Post by
Patty
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.
Post by
Skreeran
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.I am still quite full on mana. I'm a Belf Disc Priest, I have a lot of MP5... ;)
Post by
229054
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
taurenmoo812
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.I am still quite full on mana. I'm a Belf Disc Priest, I have a lot of MP5... ;)
Holy orc priest? :O
Well I never...
Post by
Skreeran
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.I am still quite full on mana. I'm a Belf Disc Priest, I have a lot of MP5... ;)
Holy orc priest? :O
Well I never...Heh... It's not my fault I rolled Belf... :P
I love orcs way more...
Of course, I'm not race changing to troll, either. I like my racials very much, thank you... And I have no money...
Post by
taurenmoo812
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.I am still quite full on mana. I'm a Belf Disc Priest, I have a lot of MP5... ;)
Holy orc priest? :O
Well I never...Heh... It's not my fault I rolled Belf... :P
I love orcs way more...
Of course, I'm not race changing to troll, either. I like my racials very much, thank you... And I have no money...
Go Holy Cow then! Join the revolution of the holy hairy ones XD
Post by
Skreeran
Nah... I can't stand the thought of having to scratch myself every 4.7 seconds.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Nah... I can't stand the thought of having to scratch myself every 4.7 seconds.
But is feels sooooo gooooood.. hold on.
/scratch
Ahhhh.. sorry, where were we?
Post by
Skreeran
/lookaroundjudgmentally>/scratch
Post by
taurenmoo812
/lookaroundjudgmentally>/scratch
/patsback
Welcome to the fold.
Seriously, Tauren holy knight here I come! Can't wait to have a reason to roll paladin on the horde side without that 'anime boy' feel.
Post by
Rankkor
Nah... I can't stand the thought of having to scratch myself every 4.7 seconds.
But is feels sooooo gooooood.. hold on.
/scratch
Ahhhh.. sorry, where were we?
LOL!
xD great joke dude! :D
since on cataclysm, all the quests that take you from 1 to 60 will be revamped, (or removed all togheter and replaced by new ones) I'll be leveling again 1 horde and 1 alliance toon from 1 to at least 60.
on alliance it will be a worgen rogue, but on horde, I'll use a goblin rogue only to lvl 20, (once I leave their starting zone I'll ditch it) cuz what I REALLY want is a Tauren paladin, and most importantly A GNOME PRIEST! >.<
now, rolling the thread back togheter.
this is a varian question (thus it must be placed here rather than on a new topic)
who would like that varian on a future expantion (we know it wont happen on cataclysm) did what thrall has done? that is, step down as king of stormwind, to act as a more involved human general (kinda like Garrosh is on borean tundra) and a major quest-giver to alliance players, and Stormwind is ruled by his son?
I said not on cataclysm because on this expantion (WOTLK) and on the next one (Cataclysm) anduin is still too young to be oficially crowned king, but on the expac after cataclysm, he could be adult enough to actually be crowned king.
those who would love to see that raise your hands.
(raises hand)
Post by
taurenmoo812
Honestly Rankkorr.. and I'm surprised at myself saying this.. no, I wouldn't what that to happen.
Reason being, with Garrosh taking control of the horde (shudder), at this moment the balance between the 2 sides has it that they are both lead by warmongering idiots who fail to listen to wisdom, so even though I hate both Varian and Garrosh, at least its an even balance.
If You then had Varian replaced by a more stable leader who has a clue, one with a decent attitude, and who was more like Thrall, what you would have then is the alliance lead by a decent leader and the horde still lead by a warmongering idiot, and the balance would shift back to the alliance being the good guys, and the horde the bad guys.
I don't fancy seeing that happen. If blizzard did that and my favourite faction was reduced to be that way, I would just disinstall my wow, take the game, and post it to blizzard HQ with a dead rat in a box for them. The horde is about to be dragged down because of Garrosh and it would simple not be a fair and even balance to have a 'good guy' leader for the alliance, like what Thrall is now.
But anyway, I still have faith that something will happen to Garrosh, because I still believe Thrall will lead his people again. He's really my most favourite character in the lore, and to remove him from that position of authority, well I just hope this give him a chance to develop his character, become what people say they miss from warcraft 3.
Post by
Patty
end of story
Hopefully it will be now.I am still quite full on mana. I'm a Belf Disc Priest, I have a lot of MP5... ;)
I'm a true Belf. You know, one with @#$%s? :)
You're a flat chested version of me. I went thur.
My MS is Disc too.
Post by
Adamsm
Wouldn't work heh, Varian wasn't crowned king till he was 18, so technically Anduin still has 4 more years to go. That's one of the big gaps; they don't say who was commanding Stormwind till Varian came of age; that might have been how Prestor and the Council of Nobles were able to grab so much power.
Post by
Rankkor
I know addams, that's why I said not in cataclysm but maybe on the expantion after it.
we don't know just exactly how many years will pass from cataclysm to the next expac, maybe by then anduin will be old enough to be crowned king.
and taurenmoo, u're not looking at the big picture, I said "after" cataclysm, I'm hoping that on the expantion to follow cataclysm thrall will be warchief again, regardless of how well/bad garrosh's leadership is on cataclysm, I have the hope that once this crysis is over, he's gonna return to the throne of orgrimmar.
we just don't know what awaits us in the horizon, the cataclysm expac came as a tottal surprise, nobody saw that comming, after WOTLK most plp tought the next expantion would be on the maelstrom or the emerald dream, absolutely nobody tought that the next expantion would take place in a post-apocaliptic kalimdor and eastern kingdoms.
I raised the question that on the expantion that will come after cata, some new dire threat will show up on the horizon, varian would feel that he would be more usefull leading his troops face-to-face on the frontlines, and rally them to victory, so he allows his son to step up to the position of king of stormwind.
anduin is a great kid, and has the potential to be an awesome leader, I mean come on, he pretty much shutted garrosh up with a few words xD. (also varian has hinted on the last issues of the comic that deep down he wishes to give the throne to anduin so that he can lead the troops personally)
Post by
Adamsm
It's only suppose to be 1 Lore year per expansion in wow, so it would technically be the third expansion after Cata that would see Anduin as king. And I think the next one will be Queen Big-brested Idiot and the Naga, as the Maelstorm cause more problems heh.
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