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Adamsm
varian as a fighter doesn't "suck" but he lacks the experience so many other wow figures have.Eh, like I said, we don't know much about those years so we'll leave it as is. Just asking that you don't automatically dismiss someone who hasn't been in as many battles as those like Thrall and Tirion.
(vindicator maraad has been a paladin for possible millenia, in a 1 on 1 fight he could squish varian into red jelly)Heh well yeah, he's got the age, reach and pure size over Varian.
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Adamsm
Never said pure war experience, but there could have been battles. I doubt they just rode all the way back to Stormwind without a few skirmishes with members of the Old Horde. Like I said, we don't know much about the rebuilding period of Stormwind; he could have been out and about helping his guards fighting back against the bandits, as, and we can all agree to this, he's not the type to sit on his butt when theirs a fight available.
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Adamsm
Varian is a stronger fighter then you think, he could easily kill Maraad.... and no, being thousands of years old did not help Relesstan against a orc in his twentys.Your doing the same thing you accuse others of. Maarad survived the Draenor War, he's not a push over after all. I merely gave the advantage to the larger, better trained fighter who can call on the Light to help him during a battle. But, let's be honest here, Maarad would only actually fight Varian if he was forced to it... like say killing a member of his family, either the one he's been searching for the last 30 odd years, or the nephew he has just found.
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Adamsm
Varian has got to be better trained, Got to be? I don't see that; Varian has been training since he was 8 at the most, Maarad has been training only the Naaru knows long.
As for the larger thing... well duh, everyone fights things that are larger then themselves, but hey, again in that line of thinking... Varian is bigger then Veleera so she could kick his butt up and down the block.
Good idea. That way Varian could kill the whole family :P /shakes head, Whatever.
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Adamsm
All I said is that Varian cannot be compared to the greatest warrior and hero of all humanity and that IMO Lothar would be on the level of Terenas.There isn't many on Azeroth you can compare to Lothar heh.
Post by
Rankkor
yo darkton, how come u say varian has been fighting "his whole life"?
name me a major conflict that isn't a minor skirmish that varian has fough BEFORE his abduction..................
he left stormwind during the first war, and remained on lordaeron during the first and second wars (he was a child, so no, he didn't not fought, nor did he participated in any way whatsoever in neither wars)
he didn't fought on the third war either, nor in any major conflict between the end of the second war, and start of the third.
and even after the third war, again varian never fought any major battles before he was abducted.
now after his abduction he's been fightinig almost 24/7 but not before.
because of that, he only has training, but he's only has 2 years of actual real battle action experience.
vindicator maraad, and other similar veterans such as saurfang or lothar, and even someone younger such as thrall, have been figthing in minor and major conflicts for the past 10 years or more, just saurfang enough has well over a quarter of a century (25 years) fighting.
as I said, varian is not "useless" but he is less experienced than other figures on wow's lore.
if you got any major battle that varian has fought BEFORE his abduction, name it, and add credible confirmable sources of that info.
if anything, thrall is the one who has been fighting his whole life, since ever since he was able to wield a sword he has been trown in the gladiatoral arena, to kill or be killed, so yhea, thrall has been fighting since ever.
even after his escape, he has fought to free the orcs, both from the cages of the humans, as well as their own bloodlust and demonic chains.
but varian, he has at best 2 years of real battle experience (and what he did prior to his abduction was so irrelevant that no lore exists about it)
Post by
Rankkor
All I said is that Varian cannot be compared to the greatest warrior and hero of all humanity and that IMO Lothar would be on the level of Terenas.There isn't many on Azeroth you can compare to Lothar heh.
how bout broxigar and varok?
maybe brox isn't as cool as lothar, but saurfang is definitly a close draw (don't make me choose wich one is cooler, because choosing from lothar and varok saurfang, is like choosing wich one is cuter, japanese girls, or venezuelan girls xD)
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Adamsm
All I said is that Varian cannot be compared to the greatest warrior and hero of all humanity and that IMO Lothar would be on the level of Terenas.There isn't many on Azeroth you can compare to Lothar heh.
how bout broxigar and varok?
maybe brox isn't as cool as lothar, but saurfang is definitly a close draw (don't make me choose wich one is cooler, because choosing from lothar and varok saurfang, is like choosing wich one is cuter, japanese girls, or venezuelan girls xD)
I'd still say Lothar is above them both, I had to make a choice out of any of the Horde... I'd go with Durotan.
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Rankkor
=( I don't know much about durotan, reading an article of him on wowwiki isn't the same as actually reading the lore about him (such as a book or somethign)
I read about varian, and though he was pathetic, but after I read the comics, I do feel some empathy for him (to a certain degree) and my lvl of respect for him raised for about 10%. (his lines on ICC raised my respect for him another 5% extra, who knows if he keeps this up I may actually start to like him =O )
I wish I had more warcraft books, to read about durotan, but sadly, I only have war of the ancients, and "of blood and honor"
Post by
Adamsm
Rise of the Horde for the win, details his struggle very well, as does the first part of Lord of the Clans.
And yes, since the new Icecrown quotes have come out, my own happiness with Varian is starting to raise, he's becoming more like himself and less like the hate monger that Blizzard turned him into... now if this continues into Cataclysm......
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Adamsm
now if this continues into Cataclysm......
I hope they do the same for Garrosh. Its only fun when both of them are part of the Stupid Squad. Gotta be patient.
Actually I meant his good side coming out, and the warmonger going away heh. As for Garrosh... who knows.
Post by
Rankkor
well is not like his lines on ICC erased all the major screwups he's done in the past (such as blaming thrall for the atack on theramoore) but it proved something:
that he can be reasonable sometimes.
he actually managed to put his hate for orcs aside, and feel empathy for saurfang who had just lost a son.
more than that, he (and this is the real punch line) actually was able to see 1 orc as something more than just a monster, he was able to see 1 orc as a hero.
this plants the seed, that maybe (just maybe) if he could do that with 1 orc, he can doit with other orcs too.
thrall is a hero too, saurfang senior is a hero too, and many on the horde are heroic as well such as eitrigg.
blizz really surprised all of us with that line, it was as surprising as it was unexpected, what's next? garrosh saying that humans are honorable too?
Post by
Skreeran
I think we can all agree that High Overlord Varok Saurfang is probably one of the wisest/strongest heroes on Azeroth (equal to Lothar in my book). Brox was up there too, but a) he's a Knaak-ism, and b) he didn't appear to be as wise as his brother, as he really was too obsessed with dying for a poor reason.
Also, they had better not kill Saurfang. It was sad enough that Lothar had to die and end the Arathi line (although I don't blame Doomhammer for the circumstances. Had Doomhammer been in charge since the beginning, they wouldn't even have gone to Azeroth).
But to lose the Saurfang line would just be tragic.
Of course tragedy is a major part of storytelling...
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