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Why is king Varian Wrynn racist?
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Rankkor
none of the orcs could be trusted, which is trueNot saying orcs cant be trusted, though That is a paradox, sorry.
that's not his first paradox, he also said "admiral proudmoore was wrong about what he did, but if jaina had executed rexxar and roukan, we would had won!"
basically he said "he's wrong, but I still wish he had won"
paradox much?
Btw, Ms. Dreanei4life
uncalled for, there it is again, bashing. :P
And what do you mean by "plot device"?
it means he's not a real character, he's like garrosh, an instrument to keep the war going, both of them are just "steping stones for a larger plan" (sorry I jsut love to put that line of kael xD)
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Dralas
I'm going to have to intervene here.
Cool it guys, last thread we left you unchecked and that didn't end up well. And darkton, that is somewhat of a hidden insult, so don't do it again.
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Rankkor
What my problem there was that everyone thought the Horde could destroy Theramore with a snap of thier fingers, which got on my nerves
and isn't it true? the horde did invaded theramoore, and they conquered it, they also would had destroyed it completely if it wasn't for jaina, she and only she is the only reason that town is still standing, thrall was willing to forgive and forget both her (since she had nothign to do with the atacks of her father) and her soldiers (wich were just following orders, they weren't to blame for the whole thing)
but ogrimar did invaded theramoore, and almsot destroyed it as retribution for theramoore's atacks on to durotar soil
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Rankkor
If Jaina and her forces did help fight, then im sure it would be different
again with the "IF", dude, "her forces" did help the fight, who did you think was daelin's army? it was both his forces and jaina's forces, since he outranks jaina in military grade (bein and admiral and all that) jaina's soldiers were forced to work for daelin even when they dind't wanted to.
the only member of theramoore who didn't aided daelin was jaina, and 1 single mage woudn't had made any diference on a grand battle on wich BTW thrall himself was present.
jaina's forces did helped daelin, and that's why jaina beged thrall to "go easy on her soldiers since they are only following orders and are not to blame for what happened " (wich is true, and wich is what thrall did)
understand that when daelin shoewd up he took control of theramoore, since his rank allowed him to order and boss arround every soldier on that island, the only one who idnd't answered to him was jaina, because as we all know sons and daugthers rarely obey their parents (cough-moira-cough-arthas-cough-cough)
theramoore fought at its 100% full strenght, backed up by a full armada of kul tiras (wich is absent now today) and even then they lost.
jaina wound't had tiped the scales in anyones favor
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/sigh
This had such promise when it first started.
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Rankkor
He said
none
of the orcs could be trusted, which is true, since everytime he trys to befriend one, someone gets hurt, or he risks his life, or both
that's the key-word here, NONE, by your logic, since all the orcs HE has known have wronged him, then all of the orcs he hasn't known must be just as bad, even when he has heard of good orcs, wich he hasn't seen he won't believe it.
if he had said "some of you can't be trusted" then that's fair, because some orcs like garona can't really be trusted.
just like some humans like the ones in the cult of the dammed can't be trusted either.
but there is a big diference when u say that NONE can be trusted, when you haven't really met all the orcs there are in the world.
pre-judgement, without complete and absolute knowledge=racist.
and le'ts leave the "theramoore vs Oggrimar" out from now on, let's focus on the issue at hand.
varian is a racist yes or no? that's the dillema.
me, I say what I said a few pages back:
to be a racist u don't have to hate ALL other religions, ethnic groups, or species, it's enough when you hate one.
and while varian does have a reason to hate orcs, what makes him racist is his generalization of all orcs.
he has every right in the world to hate garona, after all she killed his father, and almost killed him, and threatened to kill his son.
so as far as hating garona goes, he's right there, BUT, he uses garona as a role model to compare all orcs, saying that all orcs are just as bad as garona, and that bro' is a racist.
just because garona has done some horrible things, doesn't mean that the poor orc farmer and his 2 orcling sons in the barrens are just as evil as her, but in varian mind, they are.
he said so himself on this line: "Half-orc, Full-orc, it makes no diference, NONE of you may be trusted".
now, a rational person, would judge an individual, based on his or her actions, but a racist person, would judge an entire race or ethnic group based on the actions of 1, or a few.
fact: orcs have been responsible for several tragedies in his life.
Fact, not all orcs are responsible, and he has no right to shift the blame to those who are inocent of his acusations. (Of course, garrosh doesn't make it any easier, wich is why I hate garrosh so much)
I rest my case for now, cuz is time for lunch and I'm hungry.
have a nice day everyone
(skeeran what do ya think of my new avatar?)
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Skreeran
now, a rational person, would judge an individual, based on his or her actions, but a racist person, would judge an entire race or ethnic group based on the actions of 1, or a few.
fact: orcs have been responsible for several tragedies in his life.
Fact, not all orcs are responsible, and he has no right to shift the blame to those who are inocent of his acusations. (Of course, garrosh doesn't make it any easier, wich is why I hate garrosh so much)
I rest my case for now, cuz is time for lunch and I'm hungry.
have a nice day everyone
(skeeran what do ya think of my new avatar?)I agree. It's not hard to see he's a racist. Even if his racism was absolutely justified, it's still racism.
And I like your avatar.... :P T2 always had the coolest sets, Warrior notwithstanding. I think that's the set I'd get for my shaman if they ever made the appearance tab. That or
Champion's Earthshaker
.
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I miss your silly face avatar :(Me? I do too. :( My free premium just ran out. High Warlord is good though...
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A scudgy he-she blood elf? Sorry Joang, I have the better one, Velen ftw.
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And I like your avatar.... :P T2 always had the coolest sets, Warrior notwithstanding. I think that's the set I'd get for my shaman if they ever made the appearance tab. That or Champion's Earthshaker.
yhea, I use this new avatar as a celebration because I just got the revamped t2 helmet on the new onyxia encounter :P
granted, it will be replaced when I complete my tier 8 or 9, but for now I have it and I love it.
paladin tier 2+shaman tier 2+rogue tier 2+druid tier 2+warlock tier 2=the best armors ever made for any video-game in the history of video-games
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