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Post by
vaad
religion is for people too weak to make it through life on their own
So are friendships, relationships, marriages, etc.
Post by
TheMediator
And according to you, he created living beings, the distinction between animals and humans is man made as well.
Actually, the distinction is made in the Bible. Which was, correct me if I'm wrong, divinely inspired.
And from what I understand, the Bible recognizes that there is a difference in wealth of people as well.
Post by
Lecks
And from what I understand, the Bible recognizes that there is a difference in wealth of people as well.
That's beside the point being discussed.
religion is for people too weak to make it through life on their own
So are friendships, relationships, marriages, etc.
Yes to the first, yes to the third, no to the second.
Humans form relationships because of a deep need to feel part of something. The first and third are simply specific classifications.
Post by
TheMediator
That's beside the point being discussed.
It was aimed at this VV
It's like saying God created middle-class. Well, no, he created the people in the middle-class; the concept of middle-class is man-made.
Then in effect, yes, God created Homo.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
It's like saying God created middle-class. Well, no, he created the people in the middle-class; the concept of middle-class is man-made.
Then in effect, yes, God created Homo.
No, he made the biological entity known to us as Homo sapiens. There is no such thing as a Homo, it's merely a man-made distinction.
Post by
Lecks
No, he made the biological entity known to us as Homo sapiens. There is no such thing as a Homo, it's merely a man-made distinction.
The distinction was there before the name was thought up. A name itself, does not make distinctions, characteristics do.
Post by
TheMediator
No, he made the biological entity known to us as Homo sapiens. There is no such thing as a Homo, it's merely a man-made distinction.
The distinction was there before the name was thought up. A name itself, does not make distinctions, characteristics do.
Indeed.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
No, he made the biological entity known to us as Homo sapiens. There is no such thing as a Homo, it's merely a man-made distinction.
The distinction was there before the name was thought up. A name itself, does not make distinctions, characteristics do.
Indeed.
Many distinctions are there. That scientists chose to group things under the specific genus of Homo is arbitrary...there are an infinite number of possible classification schemes that could have been employed. These are all man-made schemes: it's how we abstract things.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
which is the translation from Latin fyi
..wha...?
like saying the difference between a rat and a mouse is mouse-made
...wha...?
the scientific term is man made the difference isn't
I'm not saying the difference is man-made. The distinction, or the choice to divide the genus
this way
as opposed to
that way
, is man-made.
Humans are different from most animals, if you argue that then go line up with the cows in the dairy ;-).
I'm a male, males don't produce milk. Female humans do (in case you were wondering).
And about the point of wealth and middle class, by the template it would be god created man, man became middle class , not god created middle class which is equivalent to god mad modern man (again simplified)
Please make you sentence structures a bit more understandable. Middle-class is a man-made distinction. We could have just as easily made 5 levels of class instead of 3, or 7, or even a class for every single person. It's arbitrary. Man-made.
(homo is man in Latin, sapiens is modern/learned)
Sapiens means wise...not learned, and definitely not modern.
Post by
Lecks
You are wrong. In that it's an opinion, not a fact.
That's why I have this handy-dandy signature. :)
And I concede, Hyper has a point.
Post by
TheMediator
And I concede, Hyper has a point.
Uhhh... sort of. Again, things have characteristics. Saying "human" is about as man-made as saying "homo". How do you say that one person is or isn't a human? You look at their characteristics. Just like to say something is or isn't in the Homo classification, you look at characteristics.
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Hyperspacerebel
And I concede, Hyper has a point.
Uhhh... sort of. Again, things have characteristics.
Saying "human" is about as man-made as saying "homo"
.
Exactly. Do you include Homo erectus under your "human"? It's an arbitrary decision, and thus an arbitrary distinction.
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TheMediator
And I concede, Hyper has a point.
Uhhh... sort of. Again, things have characteristics.
Saying "human" is about as man-made as saying "homo"
.
Exactly. Do you include Homo erectus under your "human"? It's an arbitrary decision, and thus an arbitrary distinction.
Then the question becomes... tho shalt not murder... what?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
true but humans difference from other things was there always since they were different
Difference =/= distinction. Difference is something innate to the thing, a distinction is something applied by something else.
if you argue against that go lie next to a dog in a doghouse.
The dog and I are both mammals according to one distinction. Yes there are differences, but you can still group us together depending on what arbitrary distinction you employ.
just because I'm 15 doesn't make me stupid
You brought up your age, not me.
Again you missunderstood though probably unintentionally i meant god created man the middle class is man made I in no way stated or implied god created middle class . You took my words twisted the basic template then based upon it , God created middle class in sarcasm.i meant it in a non-malicious way sorry but im not a native speaker
You said God created ''Homo". I took your reasoning behind that and applied that to another scenario: class. If you hold one, you have to hold the other.
homo is man in Latin, sapiens is modern/learned)
Sapiens means wise...not learned, and definitely not modern.
Sorry for the mistranslation and if you knew that why the troll?
Because it has nothing to do with anything.
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