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*sigh* Judaism is closer to 5,000 years old, for the simple (and scientifically proven) fact that the Hebrews were from the Fertile Crescent, also know as Mesopotamia (Or Iraq, Iran and a few other Islamic countries). Christianity as we know it started at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, so it is 1,616 years old.
I never once brought up homosexuality in my argument, but since that can was opened....
Can anyone here tell me why homosexuality was considered taboo?
I can. It was because if a man and a man have unprotected intercourse there is a high chance of contracting Hepatitis (I forget if it's A, B, or C though) from even a healthy partner, as the virus in found naturally in the human bowels. And in a nomadic tribal environment the nuclear family has the greatest chance of survival, it's just common sense that tells you if kids don't have a father to provide for them in a primitive environment they will die, it's all about the continuation of the tribe at that point.
There is, most times, a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation for religious taboos regarding health and sexuality in the past. Pork was dangerous to eat as it is hard to cook thoroughly on an open fire, but beef, chicken and lamb can be consumed slightly underdone with very few repercussions. Homosexuality caused a untreatable illness as well as causing a decrease it number of tribal members producing offspring. Numerous offspring=Survival.
Now we can continue to debate on the texts of the various religions with little to no head way. But I have one last point to add.
All of said texts were written by the hand of man, every single one, and they are nothing more than a socio-political device to keep the various people in a certain mind frame. Does that mean there was no divine inspiration?
That is what the debate here is about, not which is more inaccurate. (As they all tend to be imo)
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Okay, I admit that there was no science as we know it during those times. But humans are rational animals, correct? So, if Man A noticed when Man B and C did a certain act, and were both healthy individuals, Man B becomes ill and turns a sickly yellow then dies and passes it to Woman A, who was his wife, what conclusion would be drawn?
As for my baseless statement, I was simply referring to the fact if the religious debate is brought up homosexuality ends up as part of the argument. I find it tedious that the religious "scholars" can't find another last stand when it comes to these issues.
And for the formal Christian faith as it is known now as an
organized
religion didn't occur till 325. Till then it was taught differently in every town, if fact there were a number of early Christians who believed that Christ was
entirely human
. Until the Council named such a belief heresy, and the Roman empire punished that offense with death, if fact the punishment was often crucifixion.
But we are off topic here.
Does God(or a creator/group of deities) exist?
I firmly believe yes it does.
Is God(or a creator/group of deities) all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-loving?
No. If that were the case then we wouldn't be here right now(I am speaking for the planet as a whole) due to our flaws as a specie.
Does Heaven and Hell(enter appropriate death earned reward/punishment here) exist?
Yes, we make it with every thought, word, and action. The only thing to save or condemn any human being is themselves.
So, let us return to the debate at hand and air your beliefs. They are as valid as my own to me.
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Your baseless statement is a sign of homophobia, which most likely is due to the social/religious environment you are in and it is promoting homophobia by spreading misinformation about homosexuals.
rotflmao!
I am a woman in a committed relationship with another woman. I am not homophobic in the slightest, and find your comment to be amusing. I stated my religious (or rather lack of religion, but a faith) leanings in my first post. Sexual intercourse between males was a spreader of many diseases, including sever infections because of the lack of bathing, which lead to circumcision becoming mandatory for the Hebrew people as a sign of cleanliness. The diseases then spread into women and so on and so forth. I used Hepatitis as an example. Now, the main cause of most types of Hepatitis are due to the use of alcohol and dirty needles in tattoos.
And we have been slightly off topic, with the "baseless" name throwing.
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ironic, but i believe there are lesbians who don't support the gays and vice versa :p
and it all boil down to the number of sex partners etc each person have, not due to being male or female.
/gapes at the giant chasm of nothingness in the post above
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Meggie
The ancient jew religion does not know punishment or reward in afterlife. The afterlife was thought a gray, emotionless spirit world. Ancient Greece developed a reward system for the afterlife. This came along with greek democracy. The greek afterlife was engineered by greek state politicians, not by greek priesthood. Religion had become support for the greek states.
Around 0 AD the jew priesthood had become split over the matter of afterlife. Some were still 'jewish', some flirted with the greek system of reward and punishment. Jesus was with the greek vision. This was not special: all profets and jew statemen before had been blending parts of other religions into the jew tradition.
Afterlife was a hassle with the tribes of Northern Europe. Christian culture is mediterrane or desert oriented. Summer and heat is considered poor conditions. But northern tribes experienced frost in the bad times. The dark age germanic hell was high in the frozen air, while heaven was down in the warm earth. This caused misunderstandings during conversion. After widespread massacre the remainder of the northern tribes adapted the reward system of the more southern living christians.
And that's why hell is hot and heaven is cool.
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i and i wonder why do anyone still believe that god made babies in modern context.
they develop from the sperm and egg with DNA etc.
its 100% not god's work, or else the divine being will be so darn busy making babies he/she/they won't have time for anything else.
Ah, but I guess they would argue that God doesn't work on the same time-space continuum that we all do, and therefore has time for everything.
p.s. I agree with you!
Oh you saved yourself at the end there, almost sounded like a christian, and we cant have that, can we...
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