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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
This is a lot like the Jewish God, Adoshem. It's not specified whether there is an afterlife, nor a hell or heaven ("heaven" is where God resides, it is very vague whether we get there or not). There's nothing saying "If you don't follow the ten commandments you're going to BURN FOR ETERNITY!111!" but that they are God's rules and you should follow them for the benefit of the community. (Judaism is very community based).
That's a pretty one-sided description of Jewish beliefs. Plenty of Jewish leaders teach an afterlife.
Post by
Orranis
This is a lot like the Jewish God, Adoshem. It's not specified whether there is an afterlife, nor a hell or heaven ("heaven" is where God resides, it is very vague whether we get there or not). There's nothing saying "If you don't follow the ten commandments you're going to BURN FOR ETERNITY!111!" but that they are God's rules and you should follow them for the benefit of the community. (Judaism is very community based).
That's a pretty one-sided description of Jewish beliefs. Plenty of Jewish leaders teach an afterlife.
I'm simply saying that during my study of the Torah I have never seen it mentioned. (Nor Chanukah for that matter, but that holiday is a load of bull. Hooray, the Jewish Taliban goes around murdering people and are blessed for it, whoopie f*ckin do.
Post by
Adamsm
Hm, interesting.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Hm, interesting.
No Raelians? I demand justice!
Post by
113229
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
donnymurph
People should not attribute the unknown to God, because when they do, they no longer strive to learn, and then there is no more intellectual progress among humans.
QFT. Will not read anything else in this thread. Thankyou for your time, and your co-operation.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
People should not attribute the unknown to God, because when they do, they no longer strive to learn, and then there is no more intellectual progress among humans.
QFT. Will not read anything else in this thread. Thankyou for your time, and your co-operation.
I claim God is infinite, and thus unknowable in himself. That doesn't stop me from striving to learn more and more.
Post by
Monday
People should not attribute the unknown to God, because when they do, they no longer strive to learn, and then there is no more intellectual progress among humans.
QFT. Will not read anything else in this thread. Thankyou for your time, and your co-operation.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read for awhile.
Seriously.
Post by
donnymurph
People should not attribute the unknown to God, because when they do, they no longer strive to learn, and then there is no more intellectual progress among humans.
QFT. Will not read anything else in this thread. Thankyou for your time, and your co-operation.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read for awhile.
Seriously.
It's a generalisation but it's not stupid.
Post by
Monday
People should not attribute the unknown to God, because when they do, they no longer strive to learn, and then there is no more intellectual progress among humans.
QFT. Will not read anything else in this thread. Thankyou for your time, and your co-operation.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read for awhile.
Seriously.
It's a generalisation but it's not stupid.
Yes, it is stupid. Do you know how many scientists are religious and how much they want to get done? Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you don't use science.
Post by
donnymurph
It's a generalisation
I'm not so narrow-minded as to think all religious people are non-curious idiots.
However, in my experience with religious people, which is pretty extensive I must say, I find that most of them are content to simply nod their head and accept the crap that's fed to them. Whether this is because they are simply too lazy to learn things for themselves, or whatever, I don't know. However, I find that hmm, 9/10 religious people are hopelessly gullible.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I'm not so narrow-minded as to think all religious people are non-curious idiots.
However, in my experience with religious people, which is pretty extensive I must say, I find that most of them are content to simply nod their head and accept the crap that's fed to them. Whether this is because they are simply too lazy to learn things for themselves, or whatever, I don't know. However, I find that hmm, 9/10 religious people are hopelessly gullible.
If someone believes God is unknowable, what do you expect them to do?
Post by
Monday
It's a generalisation
I'm not so narrow-minded as to think all religious people are non-curious idiots.
However, in my experience with religious people, which is pretty extensive I must say, I find that most of them are content to simply nod their head and accept the crap that's fed to them. Whether this is because they are simply too lazy to learn things for themselves, or whatever, I don't know. However, I find that hmm, 9/10 religious people are hopelessly gullible.
I'm done speaking to an idiot like you. Have a good day, sir.
Post by
donnymurph
I'm an idiot. Right.
Since being in this thread, I have agreed with Laihendi's observation that religious people generally lack curiosity. I have then gone on to affirm that I accept that it's a generalisation, and then describe some of my experiences with religious people.
Your responses have been: You're stupid. Religious people can be scientist too. You're an idiot.
Hmm, I wonder who is speaking more rationally here?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
...religious people generally lack curiosity.
What does that even mean?
Curiosity is a means to an end. If you reach an end, you have no more need for the means.
Post by
donnymurph
Are you saying that we are at the end of knowledge? That our life is utopian and we do not need to know anymore? It isn't, and it never will be.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Are you saying that we are at the end of knowledge? That our life is utopian and we do not need to know anymore? It isn't, and it never will be.
Are you saying that Religious people aren't curious about everything? Because if so, then you're making a stupid claim, and if not, my statement above still stands.
Post by
donnymurph
This doesn't make sense.
If I'm saying that religious people are curious, your above statement still stands.
Curiosity is a means to an end. If you reach an end, you have no more need for the means.
No. That doesn't even make sense. You are making a general statement about the
purpose
of curiosity. The statement that you suppose that I am making regards the
presence
of curiosity among a particular group of people. Two unrelated concepts.
Are you saying that Religious people aren't curious about everything?.
Yes and no. It's natural for people to be curious. Certainly, religious people have curiosities about a lot of things. However, in my experience, religious people
GENERALLY
***
tend to accept whatever is fed down their throat by their respective religious leaders,
without question
. Which is what devout followers of a religion are told they
should
do.
Post by
Monday
However, in my experience, religious people GENERALLY*** tend to accept whatever is fed down their throat by their respective religious leaders, without question. Which is what devout followers of a religion are told they should do.
Either you look for the stupidest congregations you can find, or you're lying.
That is the problem I have. You take your experience and then proceed to apply it to countless millions of people and claim that it is true.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
No. That doesn't even make sense. You are making a general statement about the purpose of curiosity. The statement that you suppose that I am making regards the presence of curiosity among a particular group of people. Two unrelated concepts.
So, if you started getting on my case because I don't have braces, wouldn't I be perfectly in my place to explain the purpose of braces? If my teeth are straight, braces serve no purpose. Likewise, if I believe God exists, curiosity about whether he exists serves no purpose. If I already know I want to live as a Catholic, curiosity about how to live serves no purpose.
Yes and no. It's natural for people to be curious. Certainly, religious people have curiosities about a lot of things. However, in my experience, religious people GENERALLY*** tend to accept whatever is fed down their throat by their respective religious leaders, without question. Which is what devout followers of a religion are told they should do.
Because you don't need to be curious about things you already are sure about.
Certainly, religious people have curiosities about a lot of things.
But their not curious about the things you want them to be curious about. Therefore they're not curious?
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