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Post by
Adamsm
Lol; Artificer Daelo says: By the foul teat of Kil'Jaeden's rotted torso!
Interesting draenei curse.
Post by
Monday
I didn't know Kil'jaeden was a woman O_o
Post by
Skreeran
I didn't know Kil'jaeden was a woman O_oI think
this
is what he's talking about.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Rankkor
They are still Night Elves who are hiring Orcs and Trolls; it would be like SI:7 working with the Horde.
again, people seem to miss the fact that we don't work with "The wardens" but with "
THE SHADOW-WARDENS
"
these very well could be 2 completely diferent entities. The fact that they are night-elves means nothing, if these aren't the traditional darnassus Wardens, then their race is irrelevant, after all, the night-elves of the cenarion circle are more than willing to work with trolls and taurens. We don't know enough about this
SHADOW-WARDENS
yet to determinate how similar/diferent are they from the traditional Wardens such as Maiev.
We know SI:7 is an alliance police/spy force, and would never work side-by-side with the horde, but if an SI:6 was introduced...... that one "Could" have a diferent policy.
because it needs to be said again: THE WARDENS would never work with orcs, or even less with trolls for a common goal, but we're not gonna work with THE WARDENS, we're gonna work with
THE SHADOW-WARDENS
who may be a diferent group altogether.
Post by
Skreeran
I pretty much agree with Rankkor. Think of Task Force 141 in Call of Duty. They didn't deny help because of politics or nationality, they were just there to get $%^& done. I might try to think of a better example, but I am tired.
Also, have I mentioned I like the avatar, Rank?
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306612
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Post by
Patty
I pretty much agree with Rankkor. Think of Task Force 141 in Call of Duty. They didn't deny help because of politics or nationality, they were just there to get $%^& done. I might try to think of a better example, but I am tired.
It's one of those things they'll have to explain
but probably won't
. Everything else makes sense as presented, so no problems. However, you don't get to say they're an off-shoot of something without having a justification as to why they'd go against that very same thing.
Fixed that for you. :)
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306612
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Post by
Patty
I was just
making it clearer
.
Post by
Rankkor
I pretty much agree with Rankkor. Think of Task Force 141 in Call of Duty. They didn't deny help because of politics or nationality, they were just there to get $%^& done. I might try to think of a better example, but I am tired.
It's one of those things they'll have to explain. Everything else makes sense as presented, so no problems. However, you don't get to say they're an off-shoot of something without having a justification as to why they'd go against that very same thing.
off this I have to take 2 things
However, you don't get to say they're an off-shoot of something
OJO I'm not saying they ARE an offshoot of the wardens, at this point we can't confirm anything at all, maybe they are an offshoot of the Darnassus Wardens, or maybe they are another group altogether who shares similar combat philosophies of the traditional wardens, and similar training, but diferent agenda and goals. However given that we horde CAN work with them, I'm (for the moment) asumming they arent' related to the Darnassus Wardens, as those are the Night-elf Police, who are tasked with tracking, capturing, punishing, and incarcerating criminals who commit crimes against Nigth-elf Society.
without having a justification as to why they'd go against that very same thing
lol, going against that very same thing? Dude, the Darnassus Wardens are cops, simple as that, conformed by elves, trained by elves, and protecting elves. The shadow-wardens could be simply a more "international" brand of cops (Think like Interpol) who are tasked with punishing criminals who commit broader crimes more than just against night-elf society. We don't get to join them, or be exalted with them, or wear their tabards, we are just mercenaries, paid muscle, hired by them to do a job, and paid for it. No diferent than when Arthas hired Ogres and Trolls and Goblins on northrend to go after malganis, even when all of these were horde races, these were neutral, and they weren't joining the alliance, they were paid to get a job done, and that's it, end of story.
After all, there are several organizations in azeroth that are neutral, made by 1 race or small group of races, and still have no problems with working with members of any other race, regardless of their afiliation with alliance or horde. Example, the steamwheedle cartel, made of goblins that don't have any problem working with any race. And a better example, Fiona's Caravan, a Worgen that has no problem with having a blood-elf bodyguard, and allowed my forsaken rogue to join her caravan. Not every night-elf is associated with darnassus and therefore hostile to the horde.
@patty: what do you mean they wont? what's there to explain? these are either an offshoot of the wardens, or a diferent group, that are hiring mercs and don't really care what flag you wear as long as you get the job done.
I will leave it here that we HAVE met already several wardens that are neutral to the horde, Maiev accepted my help to get her revenge on Illidan (Granted she was deranged at that point and would had accepted Kil'jaeden's help if he had offered it) but more importantly, when we move Fandral from his prison to a new one, TA-DAH there's wardens there, and they weren't hostile to my horde toons.
Besides, in times of emergency, not everyone goes "Varian-mode" and go stubborn and plant a stick up their asses. Some will actually ask for aid from anyone who can do the job. Vol'jin sent people to ask for aid to the alliance, and even HIGH-ELVES the long-time natural enemies of the trolls.
Also, have I mentioned I like the avatar, Rank?
xD you have :P I know, its awesome. I can see myself keeping this one for a LONG time.
Post by
Skreeran
You saw my avatar I hope? :P
It's Pinkie Pie from the new My Little Pony series. Is a good show.
Post by
Adamsm
Vol'jin sent people to ask for aid to the alliance, and even HIGH-ELVES the long-time natural enemies of the trolls.Well....the Forest Trolls lol.
Post by
Rankkor
Vol'jin sent people to ask for aid to the alliance, and even HIGH-ELVES the long-time natural enemies of the trolls.Well....the Forest Trolls lol.
papa, patata, potata. To an elf, a troll is a troll. For a troll an elf is an elf. They still joined up to combat an emergency. This from the 2 most stubborn and stuckup races in the game, showing us that sometimes, cooperation is posible. So why all this conmotion with the shadow-wardens is something I don't quite get.
Post by
Rankkor
You saw my avatar I hope? :P
It's Pinkie Pie from the new My Little Pony series. Is a good show.
I kinda liked more the one with the blue pony thing doing that frown xD
Post by
Skreeran
You saw my avatar I hope? :P
It's Pinkie Pie from the new My Little Pony series. Is a good show.
I kinda liked more the one with the blue pony thing doing that frown xDHey, I like them all... :P
Post by
Adamsm
Vol'jin sent people to ask for aid to the alliance, and even HIGH-ELVES the long-time natural enemies of the trolls.Well....the Forest Trolls lol.
papa, patata, potata. To an elf, a troll is a troll. For a troll an elf is an elf. They still joined up to combat an emergency. This from the 2 most stubborn and stuckup races in the game, showing us that sometimes, cooperation is posible. So why all this conmotion with the shadow-wardens is something I don't quite get.
Well you just said it Rank: What the Zandalari are doing is 'semi-normal' for the Trolls; in at least, the Trolls against the World. Vol'jin is showing again, how much of a black sheep the Darkspear tribe is by turning his back on his race and going with the 'freaks' instead of joining up with the Trolls to rebuild the grand empire. So yes, the fact that Vol'jin is extending a hand of 'enemy of my enemy' to the Alliance probably doesn't sit well with all of his people and surprised the hell out of the rest of the Horde, especially considering that Vol'jin has a very good reason to hate all Humans: the Kul Tirans are partially responsible for the death of his father.
But this group of Night Elves in Hyjal that make up the Shadow Wardens: think of where they are, on the steps of one of the largest battles in the last decade....a battle that was kicked off by an Orc who went nuts and drank demon blood then killed a Demi-God. The fact that they are suddenly accepting help from the Orcs and the Forsaken is a bit of a stretch; hopefully we will get a good explanation, but we probably won't...just more of the Night Elves, the most xenophobic race next to the Trolls, suddenly changing rapidly and without any 'good' reason.
And the Circle is an anomaly, not the standard, since it's made up of Druids, and even some of the Druids didn't want to let the Tauren into the Circle after Hyjal.
Post by
Rankkor
The fact that they are suddenly accepting help from the Orcs and the Forsaken is a bit of a stretch; hopefully we will get a good explanation, but we probably won't...just more of the Night Elves, the most xenophobic race next to the Trolls, suddenly changing rapidly and without any 'good' reason.
we're going in circles here. Arthas hired trolls, ogres, and goblins (all of them horde races of the old horde) while he was on northrend. Fiona hired a blood elf, and my forsaken toon to travel with her, as well as a tauren, an undead troll, and a goblin.
not every night-elf is associated with Darnassus, and the wardens are cops first, and elves later. If to capture a dangerous enemy they have to work with people they don't like..... so be it, as long as they get the job done.
Maiev (prior to being nuts) accepted the help of blood elves, and humans, on her hunt for Illidan. The wardens on hyjal accepted the help of my orc when it was time to move fandral to a new prison.
think of where they are, on the steps of one of the largest battles in the last decade....a battle that was kicked off by an Orc who went nuts and drank demon blood then killed a Demi-God
that battle wasn't kicked off by Gromm, The night-elves attacked the orcs and humans first, and said orcs and humans traveled to kalimdor to flee from the legion. Also, Cenarius' corpse wasn't even cold yet when these very same elves worked along with the orcs to defeat archimonde.
on the might of kalimdor, the commander of the whole thing was an orc, and was issuing orders to lots of nightelven officers.
there's nothing to explain here bro', sometimes (not every time) emergencies can be dire enough for people to put aside pride and prejudice for the greater good.
just because varian is a prick that would sooner watch the whole world being devoured by an old god rather than take the help from orcs, doesn't mean others feel the same way. Some people are more diplomatic than that.
Post by
Adamsm
Some people are more diplomatic than that.Yes some are....but the idea of a group of Night Elves who have been devoted to protecting Hyjal accepting help from those who are the enemies...just doesn't sit right with me.
And yes it all is a big circle till the actual information is revealed.
Post by
Skreeran
I don't know... They accepted help in the original battle of Hyjal.
And in the Second War of the Shifting Sands...
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