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Post by
Adamsm
Yeah there was no need for a romantic plot tumour...just like there isn't in the recent books :P
Post by
oneforthemoney
Yeah. Like I said, they made some questionable choices for what they focused on and what they didn't in writing it.
Post by
Rankkor
Garona has just been unlucky at this sort of thing.
Her pairing with medivh in the comics was just as contrived and unnecessary.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Hold on, wait a second. Something just occurred to me.
If...Medivh and Garona never got it on in the movies. Then...Med'an was never born. So. Is...is this Blizz's way of saying they made a huge mistake?
...The movie timeline just became much more appealing to me.
Also, building on that, just found this on wowpedia.
By the time of Legion's third invasion, Med'an is out adventuring in the universe, doing important things that will one day come to fruition.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
When asked if Med'an would make an appearance in Warlords of Draenor, Micky Neilson replied that we won't see Med'an for a little while and that he's determined to someday make Med'an awesome
Yeah. Good luck there.
Post by
Adamsm
Garona has just been unlucky at this sort of thing.
Her pairing with medivh in the comics was just as contrived and unnecessary.
Never said it wasn't; but they should have went with Khadgar and Garona, at least there was some basis for that in the Last Guardian.
Post by
Rankkor
By the time of Legion's third invasion, Med'an is out adventuring in the universe, doing important things that will one day come to fruition.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I can just imagine them trying to make a comic out of that idea.
And they shall call it:
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
!!!!!!!!!!!!
wait a minute............
Post by
Adamsm
Well if the Azeroth Cosmic stories are better then the Azeroth planet story's, I'll go there...just like how the Annihilation Wave story and aftermath was a thousand times better then the Civil War and aftermath story that was happening :P And the Marvel Cosmic books are for the most part better then what is happening on Earth. Hell, a Nova Corps story had the best line ever when Richard Rider ended up on Earth following Civil War and chewed out the entire hero roster for getting caught in a war among themselves while the Universe was about to end.
Post by
Rankkor
Yeah, but this is
Med'an
we're talking about here.
Med'an
. Don't expect anything good to come out of there any time soon.
Him and the word "quality" don't go together in the same sentence.
Post by
Adamsm
/shrug I still like Med'an.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Med'an is a tragedy of writing. It's no fault of his own, but yeah. I never want to see the mongrel of every race under two suns again. He can't really add anything to the lore. Even his one success, killing Cho'gall, amounted to literally less than nothing. His inclusion was hamfisted, awkward, and so very, very unnecessary.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm glad that the game has taken steps to practically remove him from canon. Almost going out of its way to do so.
The "new" council of Tirisfal has never been mentioned once in the game, and on the mage campaign (Which is kickstarted by meryl) where the old Guardians of Tirisfal (Including Alodi and Awegynn) are mentioned a lot, NOT ONCE is there ever even a line or whisper regarding either Med'an, or the "New" concil of Tirisfal whatsoever. All of the members still alive are in legion, heavily involved with the plot and at no point any of them even hints at ever belonging to any such organization. Not Reghar, not Broll, not Valeera, not Hamuul, nor Meryl, nor obviously Jaina, and the others are dead (Maraad, Aegwynn, Krank and Dalynnia).
You'd think that with the very plot of the mage campaign concerning the Forge of the Guardians (Which is the instrument used to create a new guardian of Tirisfal, and was nowhere to be seen in the comic) they'd at least mention or even hint at the events of the comic, but nope, never happened. This despite Kathra'Natir being the main antagonist of the mage campaign, you'd think they would mention the events that led to Meryl having a dreadlord bound in his body, but nope, not important, because it never happened.
To further cement it all, Khadgar has carried Atiesh for two expansions in a row now. And the staffs (Staves? I'm not sure which is the plural of this word in english) of other Guardians such as Alodi and Aegwynn are given to the mage player, instead of Med'an. There's a lot of Guardian lore involved in that campaign, but thankfully, not once have I seen the name of Med'an uttered at all.
If there's any justice left in the world, his existence will be banished to the deepest darkest corners of the nether, never to return for the rest of eternity.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
You'd think that with the very plot of the mage campaign concerning the Forge of the Guardians (Which is the instrument used to create a new guardian of Tirisfal, and was nowhere to be seen in the comic) they'd at least mention or even hint at the events of the comic, but nope, never happened. This despite Kathra'Natir being the main antagonist of the mage campaign, you'd think they would mention the events that led to Meryl having a dreadlord bound in his body, but nope, not important, because it never happened.
Even more importantly/oddly, Kathra was the dreadlord inside Merry Meryl.
My personal feelings for Med'an is that of dislike. I have no fondness of half elves, less so a chimera of three races. That is the guardian after the last guardian. I was introduced to warcraft by wc3, so Medivh as the last guardian is how I see him. And the need for a guardian bloodline makes little sense.
Post by
cephadex
Sorry as usual to change the subject, but a little note on the
dragonflights image
included from the Warcraft movie art book. Is it just me, or is Kairozdormu not listed there? There are loads of relatively minor dragons on there such as Indigos, Awbee, etc, but not Kairozdormu. Am I seeing wrong?
Okay, so Wrathion isn't on there because this is supposed to be from a spellbook Khadgar had during the time of the film (which wouldn't explain Awbee, but whatev). But that was only thirty-some years before the current point, and Kairoz was a fully-grown wyrm at War Crimes, so he should have been listed there.
Just saying it adds support to my theory that Kairoz is another form of Nozdormu
Post by
Adamsm
Simplest answer: The movie is it's own Universe so there you go.
Post by
Rankkor
Yeah, the movie is on its own continuity, separate from the games. Lothar never married or had sons on the original timeline, but he did in the movie. Lothar was also established as the very last from the line of Arathor even before stormwind fell, but on the movie, his sister was Llane's wife.
Also, not including Kairoz seems to me like a subtle hint that when (if?) these movies catch up with the games, they're just gonna skip WoD entirely :P (And possibly MoP too, since in the general pop culture consciousness, anthropomorphic pandas are forever associated with Kung Fu Panda, even if the pandaren predate that movie by over a decade).
WoD was just a massive mistake that should have never happen.
Edit: Also, you weren't changing the subject xD the last post was 10 days ago. Its safe to say that particular discussion was long over.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
cephadex
I get that, but every single other dragon is on there, including really minor characters who wouldn't even make sense to be on there (ex., whelps from our present time, trade vendors, etc). There's no way they left out a relatively notable character like him by accident.
But I get you're playing devil's advocate.
And yeah, the lore in WoD was awful (and tbh I already dislike a lot of the retconning that's going to happen in Legion, but I digress)-- but WoD was also in part an advertisement for characters that would be important in the Warcraft movie. Prior to WoD, other than lore enthusiasts, your average player didn't know or care much about Khadgar or Garona, but now everyone knows who they are. Undoubtedly Bliz did this because they were going to center the film around them. So as bad as WoD was, that doesn't mean it had nothing to do with the film.
Post by
Rankkor
I get that, but every single other dragon is on there, including really minor characters who wouldn't even make sense to be on there (ex., whelps from our present time, trade vendors, etc).
There's no way they left out a relatively notable character like him by accident.
I agree with you, which is why I suspect it was a subtle wink that the events of WoD will never be translated to movie form.
Then again, who knows if the movies will ever get that far. I mean, doubtlessly Warcraft 2 and 3 will be adapted to the big screen, Arthas' rampage through the seven kingdoms is perhaps one of the most iconic aspects of the backstory, but I have no clue how or if they will be translating the events of Vanilla and TBC into a movie.
With Wrath, I guess it kinda could be done, but then we have cataclysm which was terrible, then there's MoP which is not really viable thanks to Kung Fu Panda forever stealing the archetype of anthropomorphic martial arts pandas, and WoD, which was a trainwreck from start to end.
After doing so many amazing questlines in Legion, I don't doubt it would make for a KICKASS movie, but the gap of adaptable material between Wrath to Legion is huge, so who knows if we'll ever get there.
From that point of view, it makes little sense that Kairoz wasn't named even when far more obscure characters were (making an oversight an unlikely reason for his absence), so from my interpretation, it was just an "easter-egg-ish" sort of way of saying "We're sorry for WoD"
=P
And yeah, the lore in WoD was awful (and tbh I already dislike a lot of the retconning that's going to happen in Legion, but I digress)
ohh? such as? I mean, yeah there are some retcons in legion, and I'm not too fond of several of them. The one that has grated my nerves is the existence of a centuries-old human paladin order (Which is then brushed aside like it wasn't a big deal). Which ones have grated yours?
but WoD was also in part an advertisement for characters that would be important in the Warcraft movie. Prior to WoD, other than lore enthusiasts, your average player didn't know or care much about Khadgar or Garona, but now everyone knows who they are. Undoubtedly Bliz did this because they were going to center the film around them. So as bad as WoD was, that doesn't mean it had nothing to do with the film.
True, but this could have been accomplished with Legion instead, as Khadgar has a lot of prominence in there too. Garona is also very prominent in legion (though only to players who play a Rogue character).
I guess they also needed to advertise and familiarize the average player with the likes of Durotar and Gul'dan, who previously had never really showed up in the game at all.
Slight offtopic, but it will forever bug the hell out of me, how Khadgar went from
this
, to
this
, with blizzard insisting that no de-aging took place, and he's still supposed to be super old. I mean, his own statue on the valley of heroes portrays him as a quasi-gandalf individual, as did his
model
in TBC, but then in WoD and Legion he's a muscular, broadshouldered buff guy who looks still in his prime.
Post by
Adamsm
Even knowing that it's the world waking him up...the new comic for Magni is kind of bleh.
Also, I picked up the Chronicles and the Illidan book; reviews will be up eventually. Though the idea of what Azeroth really is is quite frightening.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Wait, if the Titan wakes up, will Azeroth be destroyed?
Post by
Atik
Wait, if the Titan wakes up, will Azeroth be destroyed?
What if the Titan's are actually large enough to still function as planets? So a living, moving Titan Azeroth would still support all of its life, with the moons still orbiting around it?
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