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Is horde seriously over-rated?
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Post by
Orranis
Oh dear God... Queggy, you've brought this into Taurenmoo territory!
What hath thou wrought?
Ah make joke, yes?
Post by
taurenmoo812
I just see the Horde as better in pvp but the alliance as we have Draenei and Night Elves....Alliance wins...
Tauren
Horde wins, end of.
Post by
Orranis
I just see the Horde as better in pvp but the alliance as we have Draenei and Night Elves....Alliance wins...
Tauren
Horde wins, end of.
Aren't we forgetting something?
Post by
Skreeran
Horde actually is better then the Alliance.
It's true.
Post by
Aimsyr
I like both sides equally :)
Post by
taurenmoo812
I just see the Horde as better in pvp but the alliance as we have Draenei and Night Elves....Alliance wins...
Tauren
Horde wins, end of.
Aren't we forgetting something?
I didnt have enough space to put down the awesomeness that is Trolls.
Post by
Orranis
I just see the Horde as better in pvp but the alliance as we have Draenei and Night Elves....Alliance wins...
Tauren
Horde wins, end of.
Aren't we forgetting something?
I didnt have
There isn't enough space to put down the awesomeness that is Trolls.
Fixed.
Post by
Monday
I just see the Horde as better in pvp but the alliance as we have Draenei and Night Elves....Alliance wins...
Tauren
Horde wins, end of.
Aren't we forgetting something?
I didnt have
There isn't enough space to put down the awesomeness that is
Trolls.
Dwarves
Fixed.
Much fixed.
Post by
Rankkor
Horde actually is better then the Alliance.
It's true.
amen :P horde seems to have more of a folk feel to it, rather than the rigid "Stiffy" feel of the alliance.
besides, the alliance has a nasty tendency of being puppets of a major mook, and this goes back all the way to the first, second, third war, and even in wow itself, there's allways some alliance major character being a puppet of the major bad guy, or them getting infiltrators among their ranks.
this is also seen on the horde but in a MUCH MUCH MUCH SMALLER scale to the point of almost non-existant.
the horde happens to have more heroes taht haven't died or become neutral, or become villians (and yhea, there are horde former heroes who did became villians, neutrals or died, but those are few)
add to that awesome badass figures like Thrall, Saurfang, Rexxar, Cairne, and several others and you get the gist of why I like my faction so much.
the "Brotherhood" feeling of the horde is much more intence than on the alliance side, because all horde races share 1 characteristic in common:
they are seen as monsters by the rest of the world, and are being prosecuted and hunted down, so they gang up togheter to ensure their survival.
the alliance on the other hand has diferent reasons to join up, Night-elves only joined up cuz they lack the numbers to face the orcs head-on, and the draenei joined because they felt inspired by their devotion to the light, and wanted to increase their army to fight the legion, but other than that, each alliance race is so vastly diferent from each other is like each is a world apart form the rest.
the horde races share several characteristics in common, the biggest one of them all, is that they all have dealt with a dark past they wish to redeem themselves from.
Orcs: drank demon blood, became legion tools, brought pain and ruin to 2 worlds.
Trolls: practiced voodoo and cannibalism, as well as dark rituals and worship of pagan gods as the rest of their kin did.
Blood-elves: consumed Fel magic, drained a naaru alive, used the light as a tool.
Forsaken: were cursed to wander the world as undead freaks, commited unspeakable horrors while they were part of the scourge (some wish to attone for this, others don't really care, and others actually wanna continue their horrors still)
overall, more interesting stuff happens horde-side.
there are few faction exclusive quests in this game, and after getting loremaster with both a horde toon and an alliance toon, I can say for sure that the horde quests are far more epic and cool, (hero of the maghar is among the very best, so is the recruitment of the taunka to the horde)
if you ever do both sides of the battle of the undercity you will see what I mean.
Alliance= kills 1 worm, a few pockets of guards, 1 scientist and his evil army of flem.
Horde= Kills 1 grobulus-like boss, almost 30 waves of endless undead mobs in the courtyard, then even more waves while clearing the center and districts of the town, then a Doomlord boss as well as waves after waves of doomguards, and on the throne room disrupt 6 portals that spit dozens of Legion Generals, Eredar Lords, Shivarras, and all kinds of high-class demons, all the while we interrupt a newer legion invation force, and get to hear for the first time ever, the voice of the greatest villian of them all SARGERAS.
pvp-wise, all factions are the same, cuz pvp has no lore, no flavor, wich side is better depends HIGHLY on your battlegroup and realm, nothing more nothing less.
Pve-wise Horde>alliance by a few shots, more intresting stuff happens, I mean on the past 4 years the only major event on the alliance is the return of their DBZ fan king, and nothing more.
Post by
Monday
the alliance on the other hand has diferent reasons to join up, Night-elves only joined up cuz they lack the numbers to face the orcs head-on, and the draenei joined because they felt inspired by their devotion to the light, and wanted to increase their army to fight the legion, but other than that, each alliance race is so vastly diferent from each other is like each is a world apart form the rest.
Pve-wise Horde>alliance by a few shots, more intresting stuff happens, I mean on the past 4 years the only major event on the alliance is the return of their DBZ fan king, and nothing more.
A. All the alliance races are held together by their belief in a greater good. Heck, even Gnomes will become priests in Cataclysm.
B. Brother hood feel extends to Belfs and Forsaken as well? They seem outcasts even among the Horde. It seems when you speak of Brotherhood you mean more like Orc/Troll/Tauren stuff.
And secondly, the only interesting thing that happens is the return of Varian? That wasn't interesting at all.
However some very interesting things were the quest chains in Western Plaguelands dealing with the fighting the Scourge, and the whole Defias Onyxia.
Much more interesting than Varian.
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Post by
Patty
I don't see how this is relevant to L&RP... :|
ZOMGZ LYK I JOINED TEH HOARD CUZ SUM1 TULD ME THEY WUZ GOOD BUT I DONT LIKE IT IS TEH LIANS BETR AT PVP AND PWNAGE?
^ Basically the gist of this topic.
Post by
aFluffyFartBall
Simple answer? No... Alliance are full of 10 year olds wanting to be the 'Good Guys'
Post by
Rankkor
A. All the alliance races are held together by their belief in a greater good. Heck, even Gnomes will become priests in Cataclysm.
not really, as soon as the threat is over they bicker and fight among themselves, look at what happened after the second war was over, the alliance was falling apart, people were leaving, there was open hostility and outright suspicion among themselves, the black morass instance even hints that if the third war hand't happened, civil war would had erupted in the alliance.
they are held together for their own safety, but their own cultures are miles apart from each other.
Brother hood feel extends to Belfs and Forsaken as well? They seem outcasts even among the Horde. It seems when you speak of Brotherhood you mean more like Orc/Troll/Tauren stuff
this triangle also applyes to the alliance, when you speak of their friendship this only seems to apply to humans+dwarves+gnomes, but night-elves and draenei are kept to themselves.
rarely if ever they act like buddies, mostly because night elven and draenei culture are so vastly diferent from the rest of the alliance, so they are as much outcasts as forsaken and blood elves are among the horde.
elves in general tend to be isolicionists (is that the right word? I don't know how to spell it U_U how u say when someone seeks isolation?)
so, yhea, compare the brotherhood of human+dwarf+gnome, to the brotherhood of orc+tauren+troll, and u'll see that the horde version is sticking EVEN more togheter than the alliance version
However some very interesting things were the quest chains in Western Plaguelands dealing with the fighting the Scourge
those quests also are avaliable to the horde, remember that the forsaken have even more reasons to hate the scourge than the alliance or any other horde race.
and the whole Defias Onyxia.
this was intresting, but it's a story arc that was completely left in the dark, no more elaboration once it's done, I complained about this a few threads back, that lately the devs had seemed more intresting to demonize the darker elements of the horde, while completely ignoring the darker elements of the alliance.
the fact that 90% of stormwind's nobility is corrupted to the core and would willingly endorse magnicide and genocide is there, but not developed, is all hush-hush.
the alliance has plenty of potential, both to be darker, and intresting, but overall, they get ignored, they just slap some "holier-than-thou" paint on them to look like heroes, and focus on other story-arcs.
the book Stormrage somewhat fixed a part of this, but it would had been much better if those events happened in-game. We all know not everyone reads the books.
please elaborate what PvE thing besides that of UC has happened to Horde that hasn't to the allies
gladly:
The whole "Hero of the Mag'har" quest-chain that sees how the orcs return to their land of origins, reconect with their old kin, the mag'har see how much the orcs have redeemed themselves and join their lost brothers.
The Recruitment of the Taunka, I swear the bunch of quests in borean tundra and early Dragonblight will make your chest sweel with pride to be horde when you pronounce the blood-oath of the horde to the taunka, and see how they join the ranks of the horde as fully fledged members.
The Inner-conflict of Tauren with the Grimtotem tribe, explored in detail on thousand needles and feralas (tough let's be fair, dwarves have an equivalent that is just as good with the dark iron dwarves, I'll admit that :P)
let's not even forget about how the new races joined, blood-elves have an elaborated quest and background of how they join the horde, with envoys and everything sent to thrall to make it oficial, but the draenei just arrived out of the clear blue and just like that they are part of the alliance, no questions asked, no envoys sent, no nothing..........
see where I'm getting here?
I was quite disapointed at this, because I did the starting zone of the blood-elves and was quite amazed at how cool their induction to the horde was, and I was expecting an equally cool introduction of Draenei to the alliance, but nothing happened
you start on azuremist, go to bloodmist, some cool stuff happens on both islands, but then just like that, sironas is dead, you leave the island and just like that, u're part of the alliance, no questions asked, no treaties signed nothing, nada, this is how empty the alliance feels like, that they don't even solidify their allies or something.
they fixed this somewhat on WOTLK because when you make an alliance DK, you DO get sent to the alliance to solidify your status as a new member, let's keep the fingers crossed that they will not make the same mistake they did on TBC.
when the worgen leave gilneas, the devs better add some quests that elaborate explain and solidify their status as new members of the alliance.
it allways makes me proud when being part of a new faction, I get the chance to welcome more members to the family, this is a feeling I get often when I recruit new people to my guild, and is a feeling I had several times as horde when I acted as embassador to add the blood-elves, and then the mag'har ,and then the taunka.
it's a feeling I simply do not have on the alliance, as there are never any quests to add new peeps.
even the frostborn are added in a cold way (redundances aside :P) you just rekindle muradin's memory and just like that he says "well, the frostborn will help" and that's it, the frostborn don't say nothing, don't wear alliance tabards, and don't even show up outside of frosthold.............. the draenei joined up and yet, you RARELY see them outside of the exodar, there's only 3 draenei bases in outland, and ZERO draenei bases on northrend, you can count with 1 hand how many draenei quest-givers are in northrend.
but on the horde......... the blood-elves have a presence in outland, they have at least 1 base on northrend (it doesn't have any quests but hey at least is a base man :S) there are several blood-elven questgivers.......
you can see more mag'har on northrend both on warsong hold as honor guards, as well as on the ogrim's hammer.
you can see taunka both in agmar's hammer, and on several bases across northrend and on the argent tournament.
all these new-added races fully integrate and mingle with the horde, can you say the same for the alliance races?
so yhea, horde feels more like a brotherhood by a LOONG shot.
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Post by
Gumballs
People who say Horde is way better are Horde players.
People who say Alliance is way better are Alliance players.
Some play both, and still have an opinion based on their experiences and opinions.
I play Horde, and I like Horde better. I like Horde because of their races (they look cooler imo). And if you know me, you know I'm a sucker for trolls /drool. Plus I think its cooler to yell FOR THE HORDE. ;)
Obviously players who only play Horde will say it is better, but it all depends on your experiences and all that stuff.
Post by
Adamsm
you start on azuremist, go to bloodmist, some cool stuff happens on both islands, but then just like that, sironas is dead, you leave the island and just like that, u're part of the alliance, no questions asked, no treaties signed nothing, nada, this is how empty the alliance feels like, that they don't even solidify their allies or something.Uh.... Rank, you meet up with the Alliance on Azuremyst, do quests for a human, a night elf and a dwarf, then during the quests on Bloodmyst, you do a quest line for a gnome, so there's the start of the Alliance grouping. You also get a quest to travel to Auberdine and Ashenvale to give your help to the Alliance; in Stormwind Keep the Draenei Ambassador sends yo off to assist with the corruption in Duskwood, in Southshore your doing quests for the Draenei to recover some crystals from the Forsaken at a tower in Hillsbrad that they stole. And of course, the entire Forest Song quest line where your helping the Draenei set up an outpost there.
Rank, I thought you said you've done Alliance quests... how did you miss all of those?
Post by
Monday
Simple answer? No... Alliance are full of 10 year olds wanting to be the 'Good Guys'
This is pure prejudice...
I was quite disapointed at this, because I did the starting zone of the blood-elves and was quite amazed at how cool their induction to the horde was, and I was expecting an equally cool introduction of Draenei to the alliance, but nothing happened
you start on azuremist, go to bloodmist, some cool stuff happens on both islands, but then just like that, sironas is dead, you leave the island and just like that, u're part of the alliance, no questions asked, no treaties signed nothing, nada, this is how empty the alliance feels like, that they don't even solidify their allies or something.
If you think about it though, they did have the whole Odysseus Landing quest line where you ferret out members of the Burning Legion and befriend the Night elves.
Edit: What Adams said =P
Post by
Patty
In the Alliance its a lot similar from the start, theres the humans, dwarfs, gnomes, and elves who fought side by side, than later the
night elves
joining because they fought alongside at Hyjal, and then the draenei came, having a similar past with the orcs. And
all
of these races follow the same
religion
.No, the kaldorei do not follow the Light.
Post by
Rankkor
In the Alliance its a lot similar from the start, theres the humans, dwarfs, gnomes, and elves who fought side by side, than later the
night elves
joining because they fought alongside at Hyjal, and then the draenei came, having a similar past with the orcs. And
all
of these races follow the same
religion
.No, the kaldorei do not follow the Light.
and the draenei do follow the light, but not in the same way than the humans or dwarves do, they follow the naaru, wich the humans and dwarves do not.
besides, both draenei and night elves worship nature to some extent (druids and shamans) wich the alliance does not.
Uh.... Rank, you meet up with the Alliance on Azuremyst, do quests for a human, a night elf and a dwarf, then during the quests on Bloodmyst, you do a quest line for a gnome, so there's the start of the Alliance grouping. You also get a quest to travel to Auberdine and Ashenvale to give your help to the Alliance; in Stormwind Keep the Draenei Ambassador sends yo off to assist with the corruption in Duskwood, in Southshore your doing quests for the Draenei to recover some crystals from the Forsaken at a tower in Hillsbrad that they stole. And of course, the entire Forest Song quest line where your helping the Draenei set up an outpost there.
Rank, I thought you said you've done Alliance quests... how did you miss all of those?.
I did those. but that's not an introduction to the alliance.
let me elaborate further.
horde-side, there was blood-elves, they needed help, sylvannas started to negociate with the rest of the horde to bring the elves in, there was some doubts hesitation, and negociation a few months before TBC starts.
then TBC starts, horde sends embassadors to silvermoon (you can see them walking while the blood-elven embassador gives them a tour and a quick Q&A session with them) then the blood-elves manage to defeat dar'khan drathir, wich proves they can handle their own problems, and stand on their own 2 feet, then lothemar, sends a blood-elven player, with a well redacted letter of introduction, wich is then sealed by sylvannas, and then sent by the player to the big man himself, Thrall on orgrimmar.
Thrall reads the letter, welcomes ofcially the elves to the horde, and the business is sealed.
now let's look at Draenei Side.
Draenei players find the alliance group in azuremyst, and just like that, with no presentation, no introduction, no nothing start working togheter, regardless of the fact that they look pretty darn similar to eredar.
as you said addams, draenei players DO quests for a human a night elf, a gnome and a dwarf in their 2 islands, but no formal introduction is made, no "hi we would like to join you" "well welcome aboard draenei, may the friendship of our people grow over time".
instead there's a "hey u need help?" "of course we do, help me with this" and that's about it as far as introductions goes with the draenei and alliance. not even a welcome to the alliance speech or treatie or something.
it's as simple as
Step 1: draenei crashlanded
Step 2: draenei met humans, wihtout presentation, welcome to the neiborhood speech, or anything like that start working togheter out of the clear blue.
Step 3: draenei NPC's are sent to major alliance towns and cities to offer quests to draenei players.
and that's about it.
never once have I seen the draenei actually being offered a welcome among their new allies, nor have I seen them even apreciated for their help (valiance keep has a nice draenei general offering help, wich is refused, as their apereance may frigthen the simpletons among the troopers, and yhea I know they said that cuz they were mind-controlled, but after said mind-controll was lifted, no apologies were given, no help was accepted, nothing.....)
there is REALLY little inter-faction interaction among the alliance, at least as far as elves and draenei goes, humans dwarves and gnomes do interact among themselves, but the other 2 feel like they are just tagging along.
the best example of this is how they don't even got a "welcome to the alliance" speech.
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