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Monday
Imo most human nations in WoW, plus the dwarves probably wouldn't tolerate homosexuality. Just because of the civilizations they were based off of, where homosexuality wasn't tolerated.
I would assume the orcs wouldn't tolerate it either because of reasons earlier in the thread =P
Gnomes I can see, Night Elves are hinted in game that they are. Trolls... maybe.
Forsaken can't =P
Draenei I have no idea on, and the Blood Elves probably do.
Post by
Skreeran
Imo most human nations in WoW, plus the dwarves probably wouldn't tolerate homosexuality. Just because of the civilizations they were based off of, where homosexuality wasn't tolerated.
I would assume the orcs wouldn't tolerate it either because of reasons earlier in the thread =PJust curious, but what exactly do you mean by "not tolerate it?" Do you mean closer to 60 to 70 years ago, where homosexuals were essentially shunned and heavily looked down upon by society, or are we talking Saudi Arabia's method of "not tolerating it" where it is a "crime" punishable by death? Or somewhere inbetween or elsewhere?
Post by
Monday
Somewhere in between. The Taliban's methods (burying homosexuals alive) is just sickening. But I don't think they would just be nice and free either. I would say shunned and probably insulted by society, possibly threats and beatings, maybe some killings, but I doubt that they would be tortured, beheaded and the like by all of society.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Imo most human nations in WoW, plus the dwarves probably wouldn't tolerate homosexuality. Just because of the civilizations they were based off of, where homosexuality wasn't tolerated. Even seeing as they're actually
not
any particular fantasy counterparts?
Yes, the setting was originally actually supposed to be medieval Europe—back in
Orcs & Humans
—but that's since been retconned. Just because it's
technologically
in the medieval to Renaissance era (with quite a bit of
schizo-tech
thrown in) doesn't necessarily mean that it's
socially
medieval to any real degree.
Please remember:
Fantasy is not history
! (For all we know, it could be a lot like Skala.)
(Edited to fix the URL.)
Post by
R1TeR
yeah what she said
Post by
Adamsm
Imo most human nations in WoW, plus the dwarves probably wouldn't tolerate homosexuality. Just because of the civilizations they were based off of, where homosexuality wasn't tolerated. Even seeing as they're actually
not
any particular fantasy counterparts?
Yes, the setting was originally actually supposed to be medieval Europe—back in
Orcs & Humans
—but that's since been retconned. Just because it's
technologically
in the medieval to Renaissance era (with quite a bit of
schizo-tech
thrown in) doesn't necessarily mean that it's
socially
medieval to any real degree.
Please remember:
Fantasy is not history
! (For all we know, it could be a lot like Skala.)
Yeah, but I still doubt it's in the open for the orcs, humans and dwarves; more then likely it's don't ask, don't tell.
Post by
Skreeran
I <3 TVTropes.
And I'd probably agree that it's don't ask; don't tell for most, if just because of the lack of evidence for them... :P If it weren't then wouldn't we be seeing, or at least hearing about them? (ESRB and marketing aside.)
Post by
Patty
that's what she said
Fix'd.
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306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Yeah, but I still doubt it's in the open for the orcs, humans and dwarves; more then likely it's don't ask, don't tell.Possible and maybe even probable. However, even if it's not entirely accepted, I'd still argue that that doesn't mean that it's outright condemned. If "coming out" in the setting would be met with incomprehension, I don't call that complete acceptance.
Fantasy may not be history, but we're given no proof of the contrary. And I doubt Blizzard would EVER say anything about this.Again: they
can't
if they want to maintain a T rating with the ESRB.
Then again, I can think of some very stupid decisions they've made in regards to the topic of sexuality among
players
. (See:
Sara
Andrews
, and that's just the high-profile case.)
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah, but I still doubt it's in the open for the orcs, humans and dwarves; more then likely it's don't ask, don't tell.Possible and maybe even probable. However, even if it's not entirely accepted, I'd still argue that that doesn't mean that it's outright condemned. If "coming out" in the setting would be met with incomprehension, I don't call that complete acceptance.Heh right; and I'm sure there are clans/sects/groups that would try to kill the person who came out, and there are probably those who would accept them without a problem.
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306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh right; and I'm sure there are clans/sects/groups that would try to kill the person who came out, and there are probably those who would accept them without a problem.Possibly. I still think either extreme would be less common than viewing it as an eccentricity, viewing it as a minor scandal, or simply not "getting" it at all.Exactly what I was referring to, actually.Oh, man. When I called that situation "stupid," I meant just that...although "overzealous" might be a better term. Those rules supposedly exist for specific reasons; how they were enforced, in that case, goes entirely counter to those reasons.
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Post by
HiVolt
i have no problem with gay, but simple answer is that there are no gays in wow because, well, are there gays in star wars? are there gays in lord of the rings? are there gays in super mario bros? are there gays in metroid? are there gays in the legend of zelda?
no, people tend to not put homosexuality in their works, for obvious reasons. it doesnt mean they hate gays, its just unnessisary to have homosexuality in something where its completely irrelevent.
And just how exactly is homosexuality irrelevant? If there is no relevance to a
specific
kind of sexual orientation, then there is no relevance to
any
kind of sexual orientation, including heterosexuality. However, in the examples you've given there are many blatant references heterosexuality. Just because one is implied and one is not does not mean there is no relevance to the subject.
Post by
Gumballs
no, people tend to not put homosexuality in their works, for obvious reasons. it doesnt mean they hate gays, its just unnessisary to have homosexuality in something where its completely irrelevent.
Um, no. Homosexuality is just as relevant to any genre of work as heterosexuality is. If there is hetero sex or relationships (outright or implied), there should be able to be gay sex or relationships as well. Edit: Yeah, HiVolt you managed to word my thoughts better than me. :)
@everyone: Thanks for all the discussion on this subject :D You've answered alot of my questions about some of the races, and opened up new ones.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You just shot yourself in the foot lupine, since its already been stated there is a lesbian night elf at stars rest, proving what you say to be false.
And as gum and hivolt say, to actully say you think homosexuality is irrelevent gives a clear indication of your own thoughts on it.
And no probs Gum. When I've tried to open such a debate on the offical wow forums its always meet with flaming and in the most part, ppl who say 'gays don't exist in wow' followed by 'all belfs are gay' showing the level of intelligence to such posters on those. Nice to see an actual mature debate for once.
Post by
Patty
i have no problem with gay, but simple answer is that there are no gays in wow because, well, are there gays in star wars? are there gays in lord of the rings? are there gays in super mario bros? are there gays in metroid? are there gays in the legend of zelda?
no, people tend to not put homosexuality in their works, for obvious reasons. it doesnt mean they hate gays, its just unnessisary to have homosexuality in something where its completely irrelevent.
There's implied sexuality in everything if you look for it. I've found homosexual references in the LotR books, pretty easily as well.
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