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Post by
Ozlem
Ok you need to get NPCscan & NPCscan overlay (forget if those two addons have merged now or not.) Regardless of what I say next since you are a hunter who is interested in at least one rare you need this addon. The overlay shades the spawn spot areas so there is no second guessing if there is a spot you're not flying over.
Now the sad news. Your realm is known for pet/achievement collectors so you're up against a fair amount of competition. There is a large pet collecting community on Petopia from your realm, head over there if you really want to offer money to enlist help but honestly you're going to be solo on this.
one possible thing that might help is get someone else to go around the other zones killing the rare spawns as theres a limit to how many continent rares can be up at once
This is good advice and I was going to say something similar. There is a 3 rare limit on Northrend, if three are up no more will spawn, killing a rare increases the chance of a Sholazar basin spawn. It's time consuming but you can do this yourself. If there are no spawns up in Sholazar (don't just hunt for loque hunt for all of them) move into a different zone and kill any rares that are up, if you kill a rare fly back into the basin and check again, if no spawn in the basin go back and hunt another rare elsewhere, rinse repeat. Set your HS to Sholazar to save time. If you stumble onto King Krush or Aotona whisper any hunters in the area (/who will help you check) and if they don't want to tame them kill them. Never leave a rare up because that reduces the chance of loque spawning and this method does speed up spawns.
The next advice I have is camp Sholazar on off hours. The majority of rares I've bagged have been 2am-6am.
Also log out in the basin over a spawn spot every day. That way when you log on you can do a sweep and you can do a sweep before you log off.
There are no fun-times with camping rare, it's not pretty, it changes you. If it's taking a toll on you and you feel like you're becoming a moody so-in-so consider having a movie on, music, bake, read etc etc I personally play minecraft - you do need something else going on or it does tear at your soul a little.
But before anything else please do yourself a favour and get NPCscan.
O.o yikes sorry for the novel lol
Post by
Nooska
one possible thing that might help is get someone else to go around the other zones killing the rare spawns as theres a limit to how many continent rares can be up at once
This is good advice and I was going to say something similar. There is a 3 rare limit on Northrend, if three are up no more will spawn, killing a rare increases the chance of a Sholazar basin spawn.
I've seen this asserted a few times, and I'm going to ask either you or Hutchi to back it up.
As to there bere a 3 rare limit in northrend, its simply not true - having helped a guildmate getting the rare killing achievement I know for a fact that there were more than 3 up at a time, and that it looks a heck of lot more like a simple spawntimer and some rares having a shared spawn - like TLPD and Vyragosa - spreading information like this makes it a lot harder than it has to be for everyone else attempting to get something rare, beause the one snot needing them (for tame or kill) are still killing them to falaciously increase the chances of what they want spawning.
Post by
Ozlem
I've seen this asserted a few times, and I'm going to ask either you or Hutchi to back it up.
As to there bere a 3 rare limit in northrend, its simply not true - having helped a guildmate getting the rare killing achievement I know for a fact that there were more than 3 up at a time, and that it looks a heck of lot more like a simple spawntimer and some rares having a shared spawn - like TLPD and Vyragosa - spreading information like this makes it a lot harder than it has to be for everyone else attempting to get something rare, beause the one snot needing them (for tame or kill) are still killing them to falaciously increase the chances of what they want spawning.
Ok we're talking about Loque'nahak, you've gone off topic with vyra/TLPD so I'm going to bring the focus back to Loque'nahak.
Wowhead isn't wikipedia when it comes to RNG NPCs so we can only offer each other information on what we've experienced & witness, in this case the '3 up at once' isn't the important information the 'if you want to increase the chance of a rare, like Loque'nahak, spawning go out and kill a rare as it increases the chance of a spawn' is the important kernel of information. Hutchi and I are correct in giving the advice of going on a rare killing spree to improve the chance of Loque'nahak spawning.
Would it be fair to say, after you and your guild mate killed a rare, a new one spawned before you reached it?
When you helped your guild mate, did you manage to cover the 80+ spawn spots across Northrend at once like I did with my group of 90? (We had 90 members because some NPCS like Tukemuth spawn spot is just too large for one player and it requires 2-3 players to fully cover it. Loque has the highest number of spawn spots being 7, Arcturius has the easiest smallest single spot.) You don't have to believe the '3 rares at once' I can only report on what I've experienced and I've been involved with that sort of saturated camping only fourteen times so it could just be a coincidence that only three were ever up at once during those long blocks of camping on those fourteen random times. Instant respawns did happen so there were times we were killing one after the other but if we held off the killing only 3 ever remained up at the same time and no new spawns occurred until we started killing them again.
The number of rares up at once doesn't matter anyway, kill one and another will spawn, kill enough and a rare pet like Loque'nahak will eventually spawn. RNG is RNG but you can give it a nudge in the right direction from time to time.
Post by
Nooska
Since Vyra/TLPD are also Northrend rares, they are vey much on topic for your claim that only 3 can be up.
And having covered all spots (which, I frankly find hardd to believe that you actually did for enough time to make sure that there was never more than 3 up) doesn't make your data valid.
Since I wasn't "with" my guildmate, but another place, yes, I am sure that it wasn't a spawn from a kill, as we had at least 4 or 5 ( can't remember) up
at the same time
- My anecxotal eveidence invalidates your anecdotal evidence.
And the kernel you say to take out is also, actually, what I was asking you to back up - you now claim that it doesn't matter what you said and that its aomething else you said thats important.
No, wowhead isn't wikipedia, but when you present something as fact, be prepared to back it up, otherwise present it as conjecture, or best known wisdom.
In fact, there is no proof, no data, wahtsoever, that I have seen or found that backs up your claim that "Killing a rare increases the chance that another rare spawns" excepting shared spawns like Vyra/TLPD - in fact all shared spawns that are proven actually
share spawns
and paths - killing Rare X doesn't increase or decrease your chance at getting Rare Y in another zone, they ar totally unconnected, except perhaps if they have the same respawn interval - I will admit that they may very well share that piece of data in teh code, however it does not influence spawning behaviour.
Now..
The reason you may feel that killing one rare spawns the next, is that all the northrend rares have approximately the same respawn timer, and that these days most of the are killed in sequence by achievement hunters, so the time for "the next" to spawn is simply the time it took to get to it and kill it the last time someone went through them.
Your data does not support your theory, much less a statement of fact.
Post by
Tamardia
To be honest, both Ozlem and Nooska are wrong. I do unfortunately not know where I read it; it was on either WoWhead, WoWpedia or Wowwiki I think, google found it; but when I googled for the frostbitten achivement there was a clear saying; and a link to a blue post on the official forums saying that there
IS
in fact a limit on how many rares can be up in Northrend at the same time, but the limit is 5, not 3 as you said. :)
Post by
Ozlem
Well to say I regret posting at all is a understatement but will leave it up because I want to help the OP (
actually thinking of rolling a hunter to help them out, OP are you horde or alliance?
)
It's not uncommon for large guilds to do this sort of mass camping in Northrend. Since you're not believing me here is documented information on someone who runs a large legit resource guide who also did the same thing, they also only found 3 but to be safe said 3-5:
tlpdresource.com
It was Ponderance's idea that gave our guild the idea to do this type of camping and since we have 200+ active members it was easy to get 90, some went to bed others stayed up we covered a 48hr block.
Anyway I respect your right to disagree with me Nooska, you've pointed out how I've retracted something I said and I only did that as a white flag, didn't work. I still believe what I believe based on the experience I have and you can believe what you want to believe based on your experience. As the OP has no luck on Loque'nahak they can choose to take my advice or not, the worst that is going to happen is they're still in the position they're in right now (best is a shiny new pet that want.)
Tamardia I've just spent some time trying to track down that blue post and can't find it :'( As far as I was lead to believe (from the feedback the Blizzard comic-con panel 2011 gave on a question about a rare spawn) Blizz will never release any official comments on rare spawn timers but they will give information on loot info or changes in spells. If you find could you please post it on here as I want to post it on some of my guild websites as well as share it on other rare hunter websites as it's a very important post to rare hunters. There is a soft cap but would like to know officially what that number is (one of my guild mates has a wild theory that the rare neutral spawns in the Dalaran sewer are linked and this is the reason why lulls occur... it's out there & I don't necessary agree but this sort of official blue post will help out with the crazy theorist.) I'll keep looking for that post as well, thank you for mentioning it :D ♥
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Post by
Tamardia
Tamardia I've just spent some time trying to track down that blue post and can't find it :'( As far as I was lead to believe (from the feedback the Blizzard comic-con panel 2011 gave on a question about a rare spawn) Blizz will never release any official comments on rare spawn timers but they will give information on loot info or changes in spells. If you find could you please post it on here as I want to post it on some of my guild websites as well as share it on other rare hunter websites as it's a very important post to rare hunters. There is a soft cap but would like to know officially what that number is (one of my guild mates has a wild theory that the rare neutral spawns in the Dalaran sewer are linked and this is the reason why lulls occur... it's out there & I don't necessary agree but this sort of official blue post will help out with the crazy theorist.) I'll keep looking for that post as well, thank you for mentioning it :D ♥
Just because you gave me a heart, I will try my very very best ;) However, I will have to go through google since battle.net creeps me out ... I can't even post at the forums so I get fairly annoyed.
Post by
Nooska
I've seen this asserted a few times, and I'm going to ask either you or Hutchi to back it up.
As to there bere a 3 rare limit in northrend, its simply not true - having helped a guildmate getting the rare killing achievement I know for a fact that there were more than 3 up at a time, and that it looks a heck of lot more like a simple spawntimer and some rares having a shared spawn - like TLPD and Vyragosa - spreading information like this makes it a lot harder than it has to be for everyone else attempting to get something rare, beause the one snot needing them (for tame or kill) are still killing them to falaciously increase the chances of what they want spawning.
So you and your friend managed to be in at least 4 places at once to be able to see 4 rares alive?
I did not say I was the only one helping, did I?
@Tamardia, I agree and disagree on me being wrong - I said I wanted the statement backed up because a) I know for a fact that there was 4 up at once in northrend, the claim was a limit of 3, and b) that
I have not seen
any proof or data whatsoever (reread that sentence) to say that there is a limit.
You refer to a blue post, could you try to repeat your google search, becuase my google searches don't come up with any blue posts or blue post links when I search for frostbitten achievement.
@Ozlem, in regards to helping the OP, I think you are a few years too late for that (this entire thread is a giant "necro" - however it is somewaht current not entirely misleading.
Post by
ziggythebush
if you have multiple chars. lookup the spawn points. post all your chars on every spawn point and log them once in a while.
Used that technique and it has been very effective for me for all my campings. except for skarr then.
but that took me only 1 month of waiting.
greetings
Bayleys - survival hunter - Eonar Eu
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Post by
Sgtpain
During Wrath, when I was BM for a while, I simply took time out of my day to log in and do fly overs of the areas. Out of the three I wanted, I managed to only get one. I was pretty happy about it. Took about a week.
Remember that there are timers. If you some how spot someone taming it or talking about it, you can estimate the time they will respawn. Not sure what the spawn timers are for the cata spirit beasts are though. Petopia or the WoWhead database might have some times.
Post by
bobn9lvu
This is good advice and I was going to say something similar.
There is a 3 rare limit on Northrend
, if three are up no more will spawn, killing a rare increases the chance of a Sholazar basin spawn. It's time consuming but you can do this yourself. If there are no spawns up in Sholazar (don't just hunt for loque hunt for all of them) move into a different zone and kill any rares that are up, if you kill a rare fly back into the basin and check again, if no spawn in the basin go back and hunt another rare elsewhere, rinse repeat. Set your HS to Sholazar to save time. If you stumble onto King Krush or Aotona whisper any hunters in the area (/who will help you check) and if they don't want to tame them kill them. Never leave a rare up because that reduces the chance of loque spawning and this method does speed up spawns.
Oh my, you are so wrong on this. I have gotten
ALL
of the rare spawns in Northrend for my achievement, and regularly farm them for the bag/blue/frostweave cloth, and have gotten over 8 rares in one run covering all of Northrend. Npc scan with the minmap module is your best friend here.
The best time I have found to get Loque is early morning.
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