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Post by
Skreeran
I love
this guy
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Post by
Gnub
Pastafarianism for 2 simple reasons.
It makes as much sense as any other religion but in a more awesome package.
I like pasta.
This, this, a hundred times this.
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Post by
Orranis
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
It was an angel, not God.
Nonetheless, a bush that can burn indefinitely defies physics.
In Exodus, when the tribes were lead through the desert in exile, God appeared as a cloud. Also Numbers notes it on very many occasions.
I believe he sent the cloud, not that he was the cloud.
I guess it could also be translated as he was sent down in the cloud, so you win this one.
You have assumed correctly.
I haz sad )= This is why I don't like to argue with atheists. Everything I say is unreasonable because it hinges on a belief of God.
I'm not arguing against your God, I'm arguing against the fact that your God fits within physics.
@Queggy, your argument against me arguing for the same side. I'm arguing that if the Christian God exists, he would defy physics, not that he does not exist. Funden disagrees with me.
So I have more arguments.
The mere ability to 'will' the 'meteor showers' you were speaking of into taking place, to hit only a specified people, and so on and so fourth, defies physics.
God creating a women out of a rib defies physics. God being able to change the genetic code of an animal (serpent) at will, to take away it's legs, is physics defying.
Post by
Queggy
The mere ability to 'will' the 'meteor showers' you were speaking of into taking place, to hit only a specified people, and so on and so fourth, defies physics.
God creating a women out of a rib defies physics. God being able to change the genetic code of an animal (serpent) at will, to take away it's legs, is physics defying.
Honestly, I don't see what I'm supposed to debate here. I've already said that IF God exists, than you can't define him with human impediments such as physics.
Post by
Adamsm
Simple answers to that: The Gods work in mysterious ways. Seriously though, it's all based on belief, always has been, always will be; if you believe that 'He', Zeus, Anubis, Quetzalcoatl, Spider, whoever you want to insert there is looking after you and you believe in that, your doing something good for yourself.
Post by
Orranis
The mere ability to 'will' the 'meteor showers' you were speaking of into taking place, to hit only a specified people, and so on and so fourth, defies physics.
God creating a women out of a rib defies physics. God being able to change the genetic code of an animal (serpent) at will, to take away it's legs, is physics defying.
Honestly, I don't see what I'm supposed to debate here. I've already said that IF God exists, than you can't define him with human impediments such as physics.
I understand that. I'm arguing with Funden, who stated that God fits with physics. Whether or not he exists, he cannot be within physics. You're arguing for my point, not against it you realize?
I even put it within that post...
@Queggy, your argument against me is arguing for the same side. I'm arguing that if the Christian God exists, he would defy physics, not that he does not exist. Funden disagrees with me.
Post by
Queggy
The mere ability to 'will' the 'meteor showers' you were speaking of into taking place, to hit only a specified people, and so on and so fourth, defies physics.
God creating a women out of a rib defies physics. God being able to change the genetic code of an animal (serpent) at will, to take away it's legs, is physics defying.
Honestly, I don't see what I'm supposed to debate here. I've already said that IF God exists, than you can't define him with human impediments such as physics.
I understand that. I'm arguing with Funden, who stated that God fits with physics. Whether or not he exists, he cannot be within physics. You're arguing for my point, not against it you realize?
I even put it within that post...
@Queggy, your argument against me is arguing for the same side. I'm arguing that if the Christian God exists, he would defy physics, not that he does not exist. Funden disagrees with me.
Ah, sorry! I got it now!
:)
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Post by
Adamsm
I. Kill the firstborn children of every family that doesn't have lambs blood painted on it's door.
I thought that this was the firstborn of the Egyptians?
No, it was all first born through out the land; but those with the mark on their door were part of Moses' people, and the curse skipped over them.
Post by
Skreeran
Okay, what I don't understand about the plague story is how any "good" god would do it. After all, God intentionally hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he could plague them.
Turning the Nile to blood would kill many people. The Egyptians depended on the Nile for almost everything.
Killing the animals would caused people to starve, whether by lack of meat/eggs/milk, or just by losing the horse that their farm depended on.
Boils are just unnecessary suffering.
Hail killed crops and animals and homeless people.
Locusts eat what's left of the crops.
Darkness would further kill crops, and brings further suffering.
And the firstborn? I'm not even going to touch that. That's just messed up.
This "good" god hardened Pharaoh's heart against the Hebrews, just so he could make the Egyptians suffer.
On top of that, why doesn't that sort of thing happen any more? I doubt the Hebrews would have needed any convincing that God existed. God was right there in front of them, doing amazing things. If God gave Gideon proof on demand, and Jesus gave Thomas proof on demand, why do we have no proof today?
If God plagued the Egyptians for enslaving the Jews and killing their firstborn, why did the Nazis get %^&* all from God for exterminating them?
Post by
Monday
After all, God intentionally hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he could plague them.
wut? To clarify, I don't where this is coming from. Can you explain it more fully?
I doubt the Hebrews would have needed any convincing that God existed. God was right there in front of them, doing amazing things. If God gave Gideon proof on demand, and Jesus gave Thomas proof on demand, why do we have no proof today?
Edit: People consider (among my religion) earthquakes and natural disasters to be the signs of the latter days. I mean, we have huge earthquakes hitting all over, the tsunami in... where was it again, the name just blew my mind, sorry.
Edit 2: I think I'm getting in over my head. I don't know everything about God and so I can't argue about all of this. My past attempts are for myself mainly so I can place him in a context I understand.
Post by
Skreeran
After all, God intentionally hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he could plague them.
wut?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=harden+heart&t=KJV
Post by
Monday
After all, God intentionally hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he could plague them.
wut?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=harden+heart&t=KJV
Hmm... that's interesting. What version of the bible is that?
Post by
Skreeran
After all, God intentionally hardened the Pharaoh's heart so that he could plague them.
wut?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=harden+heart&t=KJV
Hmm... that's interesting. What version of the bible is that?All of them, as far as I know. KJV, NKJV, NIV, NLT, ESV... They're all there on that link I gave you.
Post by
Squishalot
@ Queggy - still hoping you can answer my question from before - what makes God's promise any more believable than any promises that I make to you? How can you, a modern person, know that I am not one of God's angels, conveying a message to you?
Faith.
Honestly, that sums up everything. Either you have faith and believe or you don't. That's all there is to it. I can't describe my faith to you, and you can't describe any faith in anything you have to me.
Fair enough. But it doesn't lend itself to religious debate, that's all. Just makes things difficult to discuss :)
Hmm... that's interesting. What version of the bible is that?
I've raised this point in another thread as well. God also hardened the hearts of the Egyptians pursuing Moses, intentionally, so that he could collapse the sea wall in on top of them and wipe them out. (Exodus 14)
It's a blatant contravention of free will. Not to mention it's entirely hypocritical - "do as I say, not as I do."
Edit: The counterargument is that this is how it was perceived by the writer of the Old Testament. But considering that it's supposed to be factually accurate, and guided by God, it's hard to take that as an excuse.
Post by
Monday
Edit: The counterargument is that this is how it was perceived by the writer of the Old Testament. But considering that it's supposed to be factually accurate, and guided by God, it's hard to take that as an excuse.
Meh. In all honesty I don't set much in store by the bible.
Post by
Skreeran
Hey Fund, forgive me if you already answered this, but why did you choose your religion over all the others?
Post by
Squishalot
Edit: The counterargument is that this is how it was perceived by the writer of the Old Testament. But considering that it's supposed to be factually accurate, and guided by God, it's hard to take that as an excuse.
Meh. In all honesty I don't set much in store by the bible.
Then what do you use for your fundamental reference back to what God wants you to do? Isn't there the Book of Mormon or something, as well?
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