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I'm confused about people saying I'm nuts for buying Celestial Steed.
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Post by
qwertydood
i see people pay $5-20 for every DLC that PSN/XBLA/VC comes out with (new costumes, new weapons, etc).
Double post, but the difference is that the DLC on every other game that costs an equivalent amount (or near-equivalent) adds new gameplay. This does not.
Post by
Arikan
My point was more geared towards the fact that Blizzard, at any time, can stop keeping servers running and you couldn't do anything about it, and you lose your little $25 investment. It's part of a world you do not own, nor have much control over.
Two problems with that.
One is that if Blizzard does shut down the servers, every single player will be out a heck of a lot more money then $25. All your characters, achievements, gear, and even mounts you didn't pay for directly with real world money will be just gone. All the money you pumped into the game over however long you've been playing, substantially more then $25 unless you just started, is an investment that you just lost.
You can justify it by saying you got to play and enjoy the game, but then that argument works both ways as I could say I got to enjoy the additional funds I chose to put in by running around and flying on a mount I wanted. It's all arbitrary.
Or I could buy an expensive piece of fine art and then my house could burn down and it's ruined. Nothing I had any control over, but my investment is gone just the same. You could easily argue that I shouldn't have invested so the money would still be in my bank account to help me rebuild, but it's not.
It's all pointless. Everything in WoW. Pointless money sink. I'm paying money to play a game, I could spend it on anything else, food, expenses, going out with friends, etc etc. The amount of money is my choice. It's pretty ridiculous to draw a line and say "X amount on a game that gives you no real world benefit is fine, but Y makes you stupid, you should spend that money on something in the real world instead."
Edit: Spelling
Post by
Onijitsu
It's an interesting scenario, but also a VERY far-fetched one. Why?
They would #$%^ off a lot of people.
Several million. Potentially, millions more than just their paying customers. Blizzard would get a black mark on its name. And, they would drag Activision down with them. (Not that Activision has very far to go, these days) But you're right. We would lose more than our $15/mo. With the vast number of loot cards I've purchased for myself and my wife, even before we talk about the Blizzard store... well, I would be pretty frustrated.
It wouldn't make sense.
World of Warcraft is practically a license to print money. Why would they kill a good thing? If Chris Metzen decided tomorrow, "I'm really sick of WoW. I'm sick of the thousands of QQ posts in the forums every day. I'm sick of dealing with the vast number of technical problems involved in keeping, maintaining and constantly providing new content for a massive mutiplayer game!"... Don't you think that there might be a schism within Blizzard? Or, that Activision might easily go to the point of suing Blizzard to keep things going, in order to maintain this massive source of revenue?
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Now, as far as the Celestial Steed, and the way in which many people have reacted? I think it goes like this:
- People want it to be an elite mount that they can work for, and have, and lord over others. (Haves vs. Have Nots) Something lke this, seen so ubiquitously? Yeah. I might even agree a little bit. I think many of us will get very sick of seeing the Celestial Steed around the game -- especially, on low-level alts -- and of hearing Lil' XT. (Even though, for a long time, many of us argued we wanted pets which others could also hear, without clicking on them)
- People feel like it's a grab for money. Most especially, if THEY don't feel like they can spend the money on such an item. Or, they can't get Mommy to cough it up for them. After all, why would she see the value of such a thing for them in the game. Being denied an extremely common mount - and it will be more common in the game than any other single mount from either faction -- will instead feel like they are the Have Nots.
Let's face it. The Celestial Steed does look rather cool. I bought it. But as soon as I saw Dalaran plastered with it? I switched right over to my Spectral Tiger. A lot of other players did the same. All of these other players may have a horse made of stars, but they don't have this. =)
The gamers of WoW finally got their "Pony", and they're still not happy. How ironic.
Post by
wolfeyoung
Ok, at my job I make $27 dollars an hour, plus bonus', and benefits.
Now, it could take me 50, 100, 200 hours of grinding to see a unique mount drop. Would it not be smarter to use less then one hours pay to buy a mount then to waste many, many hours of my time and life hoping a stupid mount drops?
And, oh yeah, I'm married and have a 5-year-old daughter. When I play WoW, I am not spending time with them. I am away from them, the two people I love more then anything else in the world, and playing a game that I do find entertaining and relaxing (more or less :D).
So answer me. How is my time better spent over all?
Post by
TMSama
Let's just say that people can spend their money however they choose and not be called an idiot, and leave it at that.
Heck, if I were a troll, due to the overwhelmingly negative response, I'd hold a friggin' guild meeting in Dalaran with all of us mounted proudly on our glittery horsies. :P
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Post by
Varicelle
Do not forget that grinding in a game does not have to be bad by definition, the proces in getting mounts or other rewards ingame might actually be fun, maybe even more fun then actually having mounts in your stable. Or at least that's how i feel about it. i know for sure that i wouldn't put the effort into getting the drakes in ulduar if i wouldn't have liked the 'grind' itself, nor stratholme for the baron's mount, nor would i have given away the ZG tiger after grinding the place for more then a year just bc it was her birthday soon.
In spirit of that do not judge ppl who grind places for a mount, a pet, an item or whatever just bc you don't deem the reward worthy. maybe the reward is worthy to them or maybe they having fun in the grind for the reward which you might see as labourous. To them the reward doesn't even have to be worthy at all as they enjoying the ride already and any reward just is a bonus.
In the same way if you find fun in getting a mount from scratching of a code and deem that worthy 25 dollars then by all means do so. no one can judge for you how you feel about the reward nor the 'grind' you had to make to do so. a person who makes 5dollars/hour and doesn't like his job one bit, might look a whole lot different to it then a person making 100dollars/hour doing a job he likes a lot.
So if you don't want to be judged, a good start would be to not judge other ppl and their occupations in a game.
quoted for truth. (and great justice.)
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Post by
Mustangman
A better analogy is that you pay $15 per month to the DVD store to rent as many videos as you want. 1 a month or 100 a month, you pay the monthly fee and are free to rent as many as you wish.
Then a really popular movie comes out on video and everyone want to see it. But, when you try to rent it they tell you that it will cost you a one time fee of $25. Some people say "forget that, I don't need that video, every other one I can get for free!"
Do you see how some people could think that the people who are buying this mount are crazy?
Bad analogy. If you pay the $15 month for all those movies, but have to wait for 6 months before getting the one you want you just paid $90. However, if you pay $25 now you get it instantly.
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Post by
Wondroustremor
I actually think that anyone who does any of these things is a sad, sad person.
So yes, I can tell you that using 25 dollars on a mount is nuts.
Why? It's like saying that spending 25 dollars on changing the wallpaper in my room from white to red is nuts. Even if I prefer red...
I have friends who say that paying $15 a month to play a game that I already bought off the shelf is nuts. I know people that say that spending money on video games at all is nuts. There are people who think that spending money on trading card games (especially in the hopes of finding in-game rewards) is nuts.
Personally, I see it as another money sink, and up to personal preference. If you want one and have enough money to spend, fine- it doesn't affect gameplay, and it doesn't give anyone an advantage in the game. I also see it as an investment for all of my characters, which costs me less than one hour's work. If you don't make that much per hour, then save up for a few hours. If you're under eighteen and not working, part-time jobs could help. If you can't do any of that, then that's your problem.
Has anyone that is whining about how pathetic, immoral, <insert weak adjective here> the mount is actually gone online to research how much people are selling the TCG mounts / items for? I saw the spectral tiger available for the ultra-low price of $999.99 after I got curious (following the massive influx of QQ). $999.99. You could save a penny! Tyrael was $799.00. That would suggest someone out there is willing to pay that much for an in-game pet- and people are making a fuss over $25.00? I think the judgments that people are making are more pathetic than the fact that someone spent $25.00 for an in-game pet.
It really disappoints me that people who would defend spending $15 a month on virtual characters and game time that they don't own can judge someone else for spending real money for an in-game item that really doesn't impact anyone other than the buyer. After all, we who play MMOs often have to justify our willingness to pay for entertainment every month to those that don't play MMOs- so you'd think we'd all be a little more understanding.
Alas, apparently not.
Post by
qwertydood
It really disappoints me that people who would defend spending $15 a month on virtual characters and game time that they don't own can judge someone else for spending real money for an in-game item that really doesn't impact anyone other than the buyer. After all, we who play MMOs often have to justify our willingness to pay for entertainment every month to those that don't play MMOs- so you'd think we'd all be a little more understanding.
Alas, apparently not.
Paying $15 a month for a game with consistently new and changing gameplay makes sense, while paying $25 for a virtual horse that adds absolutely no gameplay does not. I think you are the one who doesn't understand what is going on here.
Why not just buy 2 more months of game time? Hell, the entire WotLK expansion pack is only 5 dollars more than this single mount.
Whether its worth it to you or not is irrelevant, the price tag on this is obscene.
Post by
Wondroustremor
I understand fine what is going on. Blizzard is doing what businesses do- trying to make a profit. They probably figured that the mount was worth more than a non-combat pet, so priced it accordingly. It's a luxury item- it's not necessary to play, but nice to have. Also, again: to
you
the value of the game is worth $15 a month. To numerous people I know, that's $15 of wasted money. To
me
, the horse is worth $25. To
you
, it's a waste. It's all a matter of perspective.
I'll tell you what I told my mother when she started saying that she couldn't understand why I'd throw my money away on some senseless game: I'm 36 years old, I pay my own mortgage. I can afford it, and it's none of your business how I spend my money if it's not adversely affecting other people. And that's my final word.
Post by
Fireroflmage
I just think ppl need to understand, if someone wants to buy a mount for $25,
LET THEM!
It's a cool mount that flies, and scales to riding skill. It saves time and gold that would be wasted on attempts for other mounts, plus makes it easier to get mount acheivements. Plus, it looks like a cross between Algalon and Invincible(babeh?). If you wanna be like, "Waste of money to buy that mount" seems like you dont have the money to buy it.
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Post by
Arikan
Paying $15 a month for a game with consistently new and changing gameplay makes sense, while paying $25 for a virtual horse that adds absolutely no gameplay does not. I think you are the one who doesn't understand what is going on here.
Why not just buy 2 more months of game time? Hell, the entire WotLK expansion pack is only 5 dollars more than this single mount.
Whether its worth it to you or not is irrelevant, the price tag on this is obscene.
Paying $15 a month for a game makes sense
to you
. As myself and others have said, to a lot of people paying all that money for a game makes no sense at all. All we're choosing to do is spend a little more money to add something to the game that we want. To us with the massive investment of monthly money that little more for something else we happen to find neat is worth it.
We're all wasting money here, the game provides nothing tangible for us in the real world but we pump money into it every month, just to enjoy the gameplay. And then some us choose to add a little more and are suddenly complete financial idiots.
How about this, I've been playing almost 5 years now, for almost all of that time (I'll round it to 4 years) I've been paying in 6-month blocks. That's $77.94 a time, or $155.88 a year. Over 4 years I've paid $623.52. At that point is there really a huge difference in adding $25?
If Blizzard suddenly shut down the game and I lost all my characters and their belongings (an argument YOU used earlier) you would say I'd be out $25 I paid for the mount and what a waste all that money gone. No, I'd be out $648.52 what a waste all that money gone. Not really a huge difference at this point.
I've got the money. I enjoy the game. I've already invested a ton into it. If I want to spend an extra $25 why is that suddenly the object of so much hate? I've already spent well over $600 on a game. That you find completely legitimate because it has to do with gameplay. But it's all a game! Pointless. Not necessary. Just for fun.
And your last part? "Whether it's worth it or not to you is irrelevant"? Umm.. yes. Yes it is relevant. Because it is worth it to me, so it makes it relevant to me. Don't tell me what is relevant to me.
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