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Porcell
Settle down, take a breath.
You use the random LFG tool to join heroics. No one asks what your Gearscore is. If you have skills (as you say you do) then you shouldn't get any flak in heroics at all.
Run your heroics. Get 232 T9 and the offset Triumph pieces. Use your frost to get good pieces of 264 (Belts, Cloaks, Trinkets are usually good, depending on your class). Once you put some effort in, run heroics until you have all of the Triumph gear you can get, you should be able to PuG into some raids. Watch videos so you at least know what's going on.
Keep in mind that people ran ToC for months, and have been in ICC for going on five months now. A lot of people want experience because they don't want to bother teaching people mechanics. Do your homework. Join a guild that does 10 man runs.
Post by
anywherenotes
You have the same problem as someone who's looking for a job with no experience - you need experience to get a job, and you need a job to get experience. Do what they do, and lie, say you have a main that cleared ICC.
If you find comparison between a job and wow odd, than you are in the wrong. WoW is a job - except you pay blizz, instead of blizz paying you.
off topic: 4400 GS should be fine for any heroic, but people are used to have everything super-easy in the game, so a prospect of a challenge is scary.
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obiwaynekenobi
It depends on the person. Sometimes even with the LFG tool you get &*!@#$bags who will kick you for "not being geared enough" (despite being more than geared for the heroic you're in; this is due to all the elitists who want to be in and out in 15 minutes for their 2 Frost emblems, and to Hell with anyone who might actually use the Heroic to get gear in the first place). The thing that !@#$es me off more is the whole "link achieve" crap for raids. All this says to me is the person organizing the raid wants a cakewalk and doesn't really want to put any effort into it; the funny thing is that people with the achievement can still screw up, and lousy players can still be carried to achievements by much better ones. So asking for achievements doesn't really mean that the person knows what they're doing.
Unfortunately, my server is ripe with this. PuGs form for ToC, and it's always "5.5K GS and link achieve" even though with a 5.5K GS you have no need for the gear in ToC. Weekly raid? Even if it's Naxx: "5K+ GS and link achieve" because the organizer wants a faceroll. It's basically at the point now where, if you aren't in a raiding guild, or you aren't in a regular PuG for ICC, you aren't getting into any raids because nobody will do the older raids at all; there are a few guilds who sometimes will do it for achievements or "retro raids". As a new raider, you have no way to actually GET raiding experience to get into those raiding guilds since PuGs won't take you due to not having raid experience. It seems that the mentality now is to screw newbies until Cataclysm comes out.
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obiwaynekenobi
I don't think it's a matter of "bads complaining about GS" as you so put it. It's more the fact that idiots are using GS incorrectly as a measure of worth instead of as a tool. They're putting TOO much reliance on GS. Someone with, say, a 4.5K GS is perfectly capable for doing pretty much every raid before ICC, yet this person is a "bad" for saying they can't get into these raids because some dimwit wants a 5K to even take a look at you? I think not.
The OP mentioned not being allowed into a VOA group for "only" having a 4.4K GS, which is more than enough for VOA since the only two bosses that anyone bothers to do (Koralon and Toravon, I believe - I always get the names mixed up) are jokes as long as you don't have retarded ranged DPS. I think the OP has a legit complaint. With his GS he should be able to get into any non-ICC raid, but because morons use GS wrong he's denied entrance.
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pezz
P.S. I love how bads are complaining about GS. Those people got used to being able to bs their way into raids and nobody bothered checking their gear, now they actually have to have gear to get into a raid. Gear that is very easily obtainable. So stop qquing and go farm badges.
4400 means you haven't really done a lot of badge farming yet. So what that means is, you haven't obtained all of even the easiest upgrades available to you, tried to get into raids, and got surprised when people said your gear wasn't good enough.
And 4400 is actually a pinch low for Tora unless you really trust your (pugged) healers. My bear tank who's just barely shy of 5k was ever so slightly spiky on that fight, just from the boss's damage. 4400 is doable, but since everyone wants in on VoA for free t10 I'd probably just go find a better geared tank than you, since it ought to be easy on any day not beginning with Mon.
Understand, the issue is not what gear is
necessary
, it's how well geared the players are that pug leaders think they can get. If I get a 5.5k GS tank and a 4.4k GS tank, I don't know anything about either one and I only need one more tank, who do you think I'm going to take?
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Porcell
It's hard to remember what stats are good for which classes. Can you tell me (without looking it up) what is good sp for toc-10 for destro lock, demo lock, mage and ele shaman? I can't, however I know that below 4900GS means that person didn't bother gearing up in heroics, so this person isn't even worth inspecting.
4400 GS is low for ToC-10, so if you want to be invited - you hope to get carried.
Funny you should say that 4400 GS is low for ToC-10. 4400 GS is an average item level of about 219, which would be full Ulduar 10 man gear, which is EXACTLY how much gear you should have for ToC-10.
4900 GS is full 232 in every slot (average). That is overgeared for ToC-10, and probably a higher GS than what someone who has every single piece of Triumph gear.
Post by
obiwaynekenobi
If you have over "below 4900GS" then it means you don't need any upgrades from ToC10, or possibly some very minor upgrades (245 neck, boots, possibly shield for a tank). I fail to see how you can say with a straight face that "4400 GS is low for ToC10" when approximately 4.5K is the average GS for someone to use ToC10 for actual gear upgrades.
It's like these idiots who tell people they should run ToC5/FoS/PoS/HoR before they run, say, Heroic Azjol-Nerub. If you DO run those instances, and get all the upgrades you need from them...
you don't need to run heroics
except to get the emblems (barring, of course the heroic versions of said dungeons). You're basically going the same route as the elitists who ruin the LFG tool:
You must outgear this instance to be able to run it
.
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I think the big problem is that people forget "how it used to be" in light of Heroics dropping Triumph emblems. I see a lot of threads on the official forums about fresh 80s being kicked out of Heroics for "not being geared enough", and invariably somebody will point out that when WOTLK was released people were running heroics in quest blues/greens. Then some elitist d-bag will open their mouth and say, basically, "That was then, this is now". The fact that you USED to be able to run Naxx with level 80 blues and purples means nothing now, because you can easily get better items. The fact that you could run Ulduar with Naxx epics (213?) means nothing because you can get 232s from emblems. It's ridiculous. Having such an easy way to get Triumph emblems has given rise to these elitists who think you need to massively outgear heroics and raids to be allowed to do them in the first place. It seems like the WoW community has just gotten lazy and doesn't want to have to work at anything anymore. You can outgear Heroics and just faceroll them, barring Halls of Reflection. You can get raid-level gear just sitting in Dalaran and chain running heroics, and anyone starting groups for raids want people who, it seems, are just bored instead of somebody who might actually use something in the raid in question. So people get booted out of ToC for not overgearing it, by people who don't want to work at it and just want a ride towards perhaps one or two items that they need.
In short, people seem to not want a challenge anymore. It used to be when you dinged 80 you ran heroics to get starting gear for raiding. Now, you don't run heroics for gear, you run them for emblems, and need to be able to run them as quickly as possible. Look at all the complaints of people skipping bosses in Heroics because "The quicker we finish the run, the quicker you can queue for another Heroic and get 2x bonus emblems." It's like everything in WoW has to be faceroll easy; to quote a certain insurance company, so easy a caveman could do it. Look at all the whining about Halls of Reflection! This is because HoR
can't
be facerolled, and all the people are upset that they actually have to WORK at completing it. The funnier thing is it's
always
the better geared people who are like this.
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