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What You Hope Will Happen to Garrosh.
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Post by
Monday
I'd like to see him realize what it takes to be a good, nobel leader and rise to the occasion.
This ^^
I don't want another Kael'thas/Arthas/Illidan/Corrupt-leader-must-be-killed.
Aye... as I've put in the thread here heh.
Indeed.
Post by
306612
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I'd like to see Garrosh become a grand leader and champion of the Horde. Leading the Horde to many victories over the Alliance. (as a side note.. I play Alliance) Hell I'd like to see him kill Varian Wrynn in a one on one... proving he is the son of the awesome Hellscream and that he deserves to be Warchief.
I like Garrosh because he *!@#es everyone off.. look a whole thread dedicated to bashing him... if you can't be loved.. then you'd rather be hated... it's when your ignored completely that things get bad. So I think Garrosh is where he should be. I've never liked Thrall, he is WoW's "Babyface, pitypuppy of goodness" character and honestly the Horde needs a blood thirsty leader... not Thrall.
Thats what I hope happens to Garrosh.
I do note on the fact the greater majority of alliance players say something similar as this, well only a small minority of horde players say this, the larger being how much they hate garrosh.
I think it just falls into the catagory of alliance players enjoying the idea of horde getting screwed around.
and I could argue till blue in the face why your statement of Thrall is so wrong, but it be like hitting a brick wall.
Post by
Dragoonman
Perhaps we should stop worrying about his demise, and hope instead for him to grow up.
Maybe he could just give up the thrown to a better leader, someone who isn't an orc....
Or maybe we could watch an EPIC fight between him and Vann.
One can only dream...
Post by
Adamsm
Or maybe we could watch an EPIC fight between him and Vann.Nah, Varian would win that one heh.
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306612
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Post by
Dragoonman
Hey, Varian AT LEAST has a sensitive side.
I mean when Saurfang came to get his dead son, Varian not only allowed it, but said some nice words.
Fooey if you think King Varian is a bad person. He was thrown into arenas and crap! I WOULD BE &*!@ED TOO!
Post by
Adamsm
Or maybe we could watch an EPIC fight between him and Vann.Nah, Varian would win that one heh.
I dunno... RAEG makes you do silly things, and Varian is calmed down for now.Heh, yeah, but you know what some users say about that Sigma; that Varian is no better then Garrosh at the base, and it would end up just being rage against rage.... but I don't know, hard to tell in a fight like that; Garrosh has strength(like most Orcs) but Varian would have some speed.
Hey, Varian AT LEAST has a sensitive side.
I mean when Saurfang came to get his dead son, Varian not only allowed it, but said some nice words.
Fooey if you think King Varian is a bad person. He was thrown into arenas and crap! I WOULD BE &*!@ED TOO!
He's not 'bad', but he isn't completely good either; though, to be honest, most of his rage against the Orcs is aimed at the Old/Fel Horde, not the New Horde; and as much as some users would say otherwise, he has a completely legitimate reason to hate them; the Shadow Council did set up his father to die, Blackhand and Doomhammer shattered his homelands and killed his people. And of course, most of the races on Azeroth have a new reason to hate the Undead; RAS and it's little coup did turn a lot of the races against the Forsaken(even more so).... and doesn't help that the leader of the Forsaken gave the go ahead for the Blight to be made.
Post by
Dragoonman
Yeah, freakin Sylvanas is $%^&ing me off.
She and Garrosh!
@#$%^& BAGS UNITE!
Post by
taurenmoo812
He's not 'bad', but he isn't completely good either; though, to be honest, most of his rage against the Orcs is aimed at the Old/Fel Horde, not the New Horde;
Which means he lets his rage control his actions instead of intellect and virtue. People say Garrosh is one who acts impulsivly and doesn't think, but Varian is worse for it, cause there would be at least some reasoning not to. He sees all orcs the same.
and as much as some users would say otherwise, he has a completely legitimate reason to hate them; the Shadow Council did set up his father to die, Blackhand and Doomhammer shattered his homelands and killed his people.
No. He has a legitimate reason to hate the shadow council and the old horde, he doesn't have that same reason to hate the horde now, after they've helped save the world dozens of times over. And if you bring up the broken front excuse, or the RAS excuse, there are more counterpoints to those as a viable reason. The alliances ass would have been beaten long before if not for the horde.
And of course, most of the races on Azeroth have a new reason to hate the Undead; RAS and it's little coup did turn a lot of the races against the Forsaken(even more so).... and doesn't help that the leader of the Forsaken gave the go ahead for the Blight to be made.
That, as always, has less to do with the orcs and more as a trump card used against them. Forsaken are corrupt humans after all, and much like the defies turned on there own, the same treacherous notion is played out with the forsaken.
Post by
Patty
I do note on the fact the greater majority of alliance players say something similar as this, well only a small minority of horde players say this, the larger being how much they hate garrosh.
I think that's a bit of hyperbole. The majority of horde players are part of a voiceless mass, who are either unopinionated or keep their ideas to themselves. I think it would be fair to say an equal minority state that they hate Garrosh.
Post by
306612
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Post by
Adamsm
No. He has a legitimate reason to hate the shadow council and the old horde, he doesn't have that same reason to hate the horde now, after they've helped save the world dozens of times over. And if you bring up the broken front excuse, or the RAS excuse, there are more counterpoints to those as a viable reason. The alliances ass would have been beaten long before if not for the horde./sigh, Quote the whole thing please; I am talking about the Orcs as a whole, not the New Horde; as I've defended my point in the past, that as far as we can tell, he has no direct hatred of the Tauren, the Trolls and the Blood Elves. Broken Front only gives him the right to continue with his own view, and RAS is about hating the Forsaken who killed hundreds at the Wrathgate.
Once Garrosh hits faction leader status, they'll be pretty much equal. Hence why I like my solution better.Heh yeah well, I don't want to really see either Garrosh or Varian die; I like Varian, and I'd rather see a real redemption for Garrosh then a wussy kill, or 11th hour death redemption for him.
Edit: There's the full quote, not broken up:
He's not 'bad', but he isn't completely good either; though, to be honest, most of his rage against the Orcs is aimed at the Old/Fel Horde, not the New Horde; and as much as some users would say otherwise, he has a completely legitimate reason to hate them; the Shadow Council did set up his father to die, Blackhand and Doomhammer shattered his homelands and killed his people.Had you read and not focused on New/Old Horde, you'd realize I was talking about the Orcs.
The alliances ass would have been beaten long before if not for the horde.....Logic fails there; without the Alliance, the Horde would have fallen as well......
Post by
taurenmoo812
The alliances ass would have been beaten long before if not for the horde.
....Logic fails there; without the Alliance, the Horde would have fallen as well......
The same logic that has varian the chin saying he wishes all of the orcs kind to have been wiped out, the same logic that has people like him say they don't need the horde, when infact they did. My point is sound, the alliance humans, its greater number, isn't known for it tolerence.
Post by
Adamsm
My point is sound, the alliance humans, its greater number, isn't known for it tolerence.Duh.... that's a given, that's like saying the non-Horde trolls aren't the most xenophobic race on the planet of Azeroth. Beyond that, nothing else to say to you Tauren, as there's no point in continuing an argument/discussion with you; they never go anywhere and you just insult the Alliance more and more.
Post by
Dragoonman
This is way off topic, but Adamsm, I have a feeling your a kingdom hearts fan!
Back on topic, Varian really isn't that bad a person.
So far, he hasn't committed a terrible injustice against the horde, sure he attacked thrall, but dang, he has a big reason to be $%^&ed.
Post by
taurenmoo812
My point is sound, the alliance humans, its greater number, isn't known for it tolerence.Duh.... that's a given, that's like saying the non-Horde trolls aren't the most xenophobic race on the planet of Azeroth. Beyond that, nothing else to say to you Tauren, as there's no point in continuing an argument/discussion with you; they never go anywhere and you just insult the Alliance more and more.
And you just knock any sense of honor or decency the horde has in favour of your beloved alliance white washed code of conduct, so its pretty even both sides.
Post by
Adamsm
My point is sound, the alliance humans, its greater number, isn't known for it tolerence.Duh.... that's a given, that's like saying the non-Horde trolls aren't the most xenophobic race on the planet of Azeroth. Beyond that, nothing else to say to you Tauren, as there's no point in continuing an argument/discussion with you; they never go anywhere and you just insult the Alliance more and more.
And you just knock any sense of honor or decency the horde has in favour of your beloved alliance white washed code of conduct, so its pretty even both sides.
Excuse me? Kindly point out where I have ever insulted the new Orcs, the Tauren, the Trolls, the Blood Elves or the Goblins(as they are part of the Horde now). The only Horde faction I dislike is the Forsaken, but I have admitted there are a few good members of the race... but for the most part, they follow Sylvanas and her genocidal ways.
Now if your talking that I mention that true peace seeking groups of orcs is the smaller group then those who want to keep a war going.... you see that in game. Or is it the fact that I don't bend down and kiss Thrall's feet and call him the greatest hero in Azerothian history? Seriously Tauren, unless you can back up your 'attacks' kindly don't sling %^&* at me alright?
Post by
taurenmoo812
This is way off topic, but Adamsm, I have a feeling your a kingdom hearts fan!
Back on topic, Varian really isn't that bad a person.
So far, he hasn't committed a terrible injustice against the horde, sure he attacked thrall, but dang, he has a big reason to be $%^&ed.
Apparently its also excusable to act like an immature #$%^&* at the argent grounds for the same reason. Its no wonder outside forces get to control him so easily.
Post by
Monday
I think all people who insult Varian should read this. It is a relatively old article, but still relevant.
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