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What You Hope Will Happen to Garrosh.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I hope that he realizes the error of his ways and hands back the mantle to an actual wise and powerful leader as Thrall, as it should be.
He's the son of Grom Hellscream. I can't bring myself to hate him when he father was that damn awsome!
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Post by
Monday
I hope that he realizes the error of his ways and hands back the mantle to an actual wise and powerful leader as Thrall, as it should be.
He's the son of Grom Hellscream. I can't bring myself to hate him when he father was that damn awsome!
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I dunno, it'd be interesting to see some new leaders. (I'd even see Magni go if Muradin took over.)
Post by
taurenmoo812
I hope that he realizes the error of his ways and hands back the mantle to an actual wise and powerful leader as Thrall, as it should be.
He's the son of Grom Hellscream. I can't bring myself to hate him when he father was that damn awsome!
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I dunno, it'd be interesting to see some new leaders. (I'd even see Magni go if Muradin took over.)
Thats not even a worthwhile comparison. At least both the bronzebeard brothers are noble figures with wisdom and foresight. The comparison between garrosh and thrall is like martin luther king to adolf hitler, they are so polar opposites in ther views its like having all the good things for your side, and then suddenly having it snatched away from you.
Post by
Adamsm
Yes, because Garrosh has been proven to commit genocide. At least pick someone like Clinton and Bush for a comparison and keep it semi-fair; comparing anyone to Martin Luther King is like comparing anyone to Mother Teresa.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Yes, because Garrosh has been proven to commit genocide. At least pick someone like Clinton and Bush for a comparison and keep it semi-fair; comparing anyone to Martin Luther King is like comparing anyone to Mother Teresa.
Garrosh > Draenei children. nuff said.
If you can think of a tyrant ruler who compares to garrosh, please, say so.
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Adamsm
Yes, because Garrosh has been proven to commit genocide. At least pick someone like Clinton and Bush for a comparison and keep it semi-fair; comparing anyone to Martin Luther King is like comparing anyone to Mother Teresa.
Garrosh > Draenei children. nuff said.
If you can think of a tyrant ruler who compares to garrosh, please, say so.
Garrosh has never killed a child though; he was asking a question to Saurfang, and at the end of that speech, it seems like he made him stop and think. And again, we don't know everything about his rule, too early to deem it a 'tyrant'; racist and supremeist sure, but beyond that, don't just toss things at him.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Yes, because Garrosh has been proven to commit genocide. At least pick someone like Clinton and Bush for a comparison and keep it semi-fair; comparing anyone to Martin Luther King is like comparing anyone to Mother Teresa.
Garrosh > Draenei children. nuff said.
If you can think of a tyrant ruler who compares to garrosh, please, say so.
Garrosh has never killed a child though; he was asking a question to Saurfang, and at the end of that speech, it seems like he made him stop and think. And again, we don't know everything about his rule, too early to deem it a 'tyrant'; racist and supremeist sure, but beyond that, don't just toss things at him.
I dunno how you came up with that conclusion that he 'stopped and thought', the bastard put it that he didn't care what Varok said, and that it was ok to kill the children of your enemy. This is one of the many reasons I don't want him as leader, where as thrall prevented his orcs from killing the helpless, you think garrosh would do the same?
Post by
Adamsm
where as thrall prevented his orcs from killing the helplessNo, he prevented them from killing non-combatants; however, if a child with a weapon attacks an orc, do you really think they would listen to Thrall's order to merely disarm it and leave it 'unharmed' where it could take up arms again? Probably not. And we really don't know; we haven't seen Garrosh as the leader of a force against a non-military target, so while your free to say they'll slaughter and raze it down to the ground, and I'm free to say they won't, it's merely an opinion between both of us, and can't be proved.
Post by
Rankkor
Yes, because Garrosh has been proven to commit genocide. At least pick someone like Clinton and Bush for a comparison and keep it semi-fair; comparing anyone to Martin Luther King is like comparing anyone to Mother Teresa.
actually if you think about it, Thrall is a lot like martin luther king, who seeked a world where black people and white people could live togheter in harmony and equality.
Garrosh on the other hand is more like the militant Malcom X, who wished a world about black supremacy, where black people had a place higher than the rest.
Thrall seeks a world where orc and human can coexist in peace.
Garrosh wishes a world where orcs rule over humans with an iron fist (or worst, a world where orcs exterminate humanity altogheter)
and adamsm; I'm well aware of the (aparently lies) statement kirasani said, that we should wait and see before drawing conclutions bro' but.......
we have waited, and little by little, more and more info on the rule of garrosh is being released, and the more we see, the more is confirmed that garrosh is still garrosh. In fact, it seems that his rise to power has made him even worst, (he treats trolls like garbage and directly threatened Vol'jin with death)
Post by
Adamsm
And I get that; I'm not expecting Garrosh to turn into a saint... but painting him as a genocider and baby killer without the full information is a little narrow minded. I'm waiting for the full information before I cast judgment is all.
Post by
Rankkor
And I get that; I'm not expecting Garrosh to turn into a saint...
but painting him as a genocider and baby killer
without the full information is a little narrow minded. I'm waiting for the full information before I cast judgment is all.
(sighs) this is getting on my nerves bro', those are taurenmoo's opinions, not mine, I've never said he would be a child-killer, nor have I said that he will be a genocidal, I said he wanted a world where orc dominates human, and that he could wish for a world where orc exterminates human (just as they once almost exterminated the draenei).
bro' as much as I hate garrohs, I have a diferent reason for hating him.
Post by
Adamsm
Oh I know it's not you Rank, merely saying there, and that comment was aimed more at Tauren and his more extreme view allies about Garrosh.
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Post by
Ritmas
There is always dominant. You will never see equality anywhere in world.
And I could post a wall of text about Garrosh vs. Thrall. But I won't. Cause my point will be that Garrosh has a bit more + to wow, then thrall.
BUT! Why Saurfang isn't warchief? He is like > all. I remember pre tbc raids in org. Most raids skipped Saurfang, because he would just rape them.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I'm a bit of a comic geek so to put it in those terms: Thrall reminds me of Captain America (or Superman if you're a DC fan), in that he's a bland one-dimensional "hero" goody-goody type who always fights for the right, is never angry or bad or wrong in any way, and really gives you nothing in terms of being interesting. Some will disagree (with that view of Thrall or the super-hero types), but that's the way I tend to see it. Garrosh is more of someone like a Wolverine or a Deadpool (or on the DC side perhaps a Guy Gardner or Lobo) who is violent, angry, morally ambiguous, and polarizing (though Wolverine has slowly become as tame as Spider-man with his popularity, so maybe he's not the best example anymore).
With Thrall (or a Captain America/Superman type) you know what you're going to get. If this game exists in 5 years and Thrall hasn't died he'll be the same thing he is today and was when the game started. But noone has any real idea what the heck Garrosh is going to be like in a year, let alone 5 years (assuming he's around). And at the very least that makes him more interesting than Thrall. There's a reason Superman is always a top-seller, plenty of people like Vanilla. It's the same reason people like 'moo will always be there to defend and lionize Thrall. But I say give me a good psychopath anyday. Whether I'll turn out to love him or hate him, at least it'll be interesting.
I'm a comic book fan too. and honestly, I find your take on Thrall like that to be pretty one sided and simple. Uther was like captain america if anything.
Thrall, if you ever even played warcraft 3, is more like wolverine then you figure, since he has that code of honor and dignity, but at the same time a leadership quality. He also has that air of professor xavier about him, given his intellect and want for a peace between both sides
And Garrosh like wolverine? thats a joke right? Have you even made a viable reason for that comparison, given Wolverine is a figure who respects honor and is a very deep characters, well GARRSOH is the one dimentional character here. He's like magneto without the background or in depth character.
Get your details rights before you make that kind of comic reference.
Post by
taurenmoo812
There is always dominant. You will never see equality anywhere in world.
And I could post a wall of text about Garrosh vs. Thrall. But I won't. Cause my point will be that Garrosh has a bit more + to wow, then thrall.
BUT! Why Saurfang isn't warchief? He is like > all. I remember pre tbc raids in org. Most raids skipped Saurfang, because he would just rape them.
Go play warcraft 3 and get you head out your backside, seriously, opinion or not you just jumped on the garrosh bandwagon and now think you know more about the lore then anyone.
Post by
Adamsm
I wouldn't compare Thrall to Wolverine... after all, Thrall holds back on killing, which is something Logan has never done; if the simplest solution is to kill the other person, Logan will do that, why do you think he leads the new X-Force? It's not a bad comparison, when you go for the simple route; Garrosh feels it's easier to just kill his enemies then try to make peace with them.
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