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Post by
Monday
good for you =/ my battlegroup SUCKS man :S I really only win AV on weekends, but most of the time premades do that place, and they absolutely slaugther us.
good thing we almost completely dominate WG on my realm, but that one has no alliance raid-boss to kill =I
My Battlegroup is really kinda funny.
AV is half and half.
AB is Horde always. Looking at my statistics I've won 3 out of 19 AB battles >.>
Strand of the Ancients is always Alliance (Just got
Storm the Beach
today).
Isle of Conquest is half and half again. They never defend the keep, but almost always take the entire island.
WSG is Horde (rather oddly =P )
And Eye of the Storm is always Alliance (I've never lost one).
Post by
taurenmoo812
he he he , funny you say that, horde-side there are no quests at all in alterac mountains (but several quests from tarren mill send you there, and some other quests from outside the place also send you there) but there are no quest-hubs for neither alliance nor horde in that zone.
is like the cristalsong forest of vainilla (exept is less beutifull and lacks the awesome music)
and as for killing him......... good luck, as that will depend on the pvp skills of your battlegroup, with him being in a BG and all that, besides I don't know why you say "it's personal" is not like vandar was a major player or something.
in fact he has absolutely zero-ero lore, nothing no background zippo, he's just some general sent to fight and that's about it.
now a real BG that I would LOOOVE to queue is one where the leader is precicely Varian and Garrosh respectively, you fight them but not kill them, they simply aid their factions :P I would love such a BG because it's a win-win for me.
if we're winning I get to kick varian's ass.
and if we're losing I can eat pop-corn and watch in a front row seat how garrosh gets his ass kicked.
alas it's hard for some dreams to come true =/
Thats interesting.. but... its not the best advice to give turd of grom More press then he deserves.
Post by
Rankkor
Thats interesting.. but... its not the best advice to give turd of grom
More press then he deserves.
see, the point is: he's gonna get it anyways, even when neither of them deserves it, both of them are gonna be the spotlight of cataclysm.
and that's the way things are bro' we can't fight the tide, all we can do is either try to endure it or withdraw.
I'll try to endure it as much as I can, if it gets too much messed up, i'll just leave till a newer expantion arrives or something.
so, since both of them are getting A LOT of attention, a good way to "blow off some steam" would be to have a BG similar to island of conquest but with varian as the alliance boss, and garrosh as the horde boss, at that BG, the objective is "defeat" the enemy boss rather than kill it.
once the enemy boss is at say 5% HP he just trows a hissy remark and flee.
for me, having the oportunity to kick varian on a daylie basis if we're winning, or watch garrosh get kicked to hell if we're losing is what I call a "Win-win" scenario.
and I love win-win scenarios xD don't you?
Post by
Rankkor
o_O I just had a revelation..........
that whole dream about the BG with the hated leaders may just come true, remember a new BG is battle for gilneas city.
what if (and I know this is pure speculation but) what if, that BG is on the same style of AV/IOC? kill the enemy comander, and the enemy comander would be Sylvannas for the horde, and Genn for the alliance?
that would also be a win-win for me xD. and unlike the other BG idea, this one has an actual posibility ( a small one) of being true, since both leaders DO fight in the worgen starting area.
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Post by
Monday
Sorry, this seems like the best place to put it, but:
Tonight I truly felt like a member of the Alliance and a dwarf, from slaying the Scourge to dealing one to those Kor'kron on the Orgrim's Hammer, to seeing Muradin take out some boarders on my ship, with his Thane powers.
It was amazing.
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Post by
Rankkor
:P pff I tank all of ICC every week, including the skybreaker troops on the rampart of skulls and soaking the damage of Muradin on the gunship.
and BTW 2 extra tidbits. Muradin doesn't "use his thane powers" on the gunship, all he uses are generic warrior skills just like saurfang (who for the sake of convinience uses a lower rank of cleave to avoid 1shoting the raid, and both ships)
list of skills are: Cleave, and Rend. for people trying to kill saurfang (BLASPHEMY) or Muradin, both have a third one called Taste of blood, wich causes him to regen 5% of his HP every sec for 10 sec, this combined with the stacking buff that increases his damage by 10% makes both imposible to kill.
none of those skills are by any strech of imagination a "Thane" Skill :P no avatar form, no Stormbolt, no thunderclap, no shockwave, no hammer trows. nada
and on a second tidbit, I can't avoid but laugh when I hear the voice actor of muradin (don't get me wrong, I like muradin, but his voice is funny :P like Danni Devito xD) he sounds like most dwarves do, like the comedy relief on an epic movie (Gimli rings a bell?)
Saurfang's voice actor however sounds like Optimus Prime, and whenever he yells "you DARE board my ship?" seriously it's awesome.
I wish both Saurfang and Muradin would had kept their traditional looks from Warcraft 3 and Vainilla.
Saurfang looked more epic on his tier 1 armor and arcanite reaper, likewise Muradin had a much better look on his Thane armor.
somehow the tier 10 makes saurfang look dumb, and tier 10 makes muradin look.......... how do I put it? ridiculus? xD the armor is much bigger than him. overall it looks dumb on both of them.
since we're talking about ICC, clear a small doubt for me, as I've never "done" the alliance version of the gunship (only saw vids, and heard the soundfiles with an MPQ editor)
horde-version you kill deathwisper, you take the elevator, and as you get to the rampart of skulls, right in front of ya there's a bunch of alliance and horde soldiers fighting, you kill the skybreaker ones, and then you have to choose to go either left or right, and hordeside, it's to the right, going to the left means taking the long route, having to clear more trash than needed, as the orgrim's hammer is docked in the right side of the rampart.
is it the same on the alliance side? you guys also go right? or the skybreaker is to the left?
Post by
Patty
horde-version you kill deathwisper, you take the elevator, and as you get to the rampart of skulls, right in front of ya there's a bunch of alliance and horde soldiers fighting, you kill the skybreaker ones, and then you have to choose to go either left or right, and hordeside, it's to the right, going to the left means taking the long route, having to clear more trash than needed, as the orgrim's hammer is docked in the right side of the rampart.
I always loved that. The Horde and Alliance are so blinded by rivalry and hatred that even when they're in the heart of the Lich King's domain, they still fight each other, weakening eachother's forces against the Lich King. GG Alliance and Horde.
Post by
Rankkor
horde-version you kill deathwisper, you take the elevator, and as you get to the rampart of skulls, right in front of ya there's a bunch of alliance and horde soldiers fighting, you kill the skybreaker ones, and then you have to choose to go either left or right, and hordeside, it's to the right, going to the left means taking the long route, having to clear more trash than needed, as the orgrim's hammer is docked in the right side of the rampart.
I always loved that. The Horde and Alliance are so blinded by rivalry and hatred that even when they're in the heart of the Lich King's domain, they still fight each other, weakening eachother's forces against the Lich King. GG Alliance and Horde.
ya =/ what happened to the good'ol days? back to the awesome might of kalimdor? standing united against the shadow? what happened to that awesome united force of good in hyjal? to the defense of the dark portal? to the assault on the black temple? to the horde+alliance joint effort on the sunwell?
the wrathgate was suposed to be the pinnacle of a new age of peace between the alliance and horde.
DAMN YOU PUTRESS! If it was posible, I'd ress you to kill you again you bastard! (/shakes fist)
Post by
Patty
ya =/ what happened to the good'ol days? back to the awesome might of kalimdor? standing united against the shadow? what happened to that awesome united force of good in hyjal? to the defense of the dark portal? to the assault on the black temple? to the horde+alliance joint effort on the sunwell?Well...in all fairness, conflict is more interesting; but I just think that their sheer stupidity is rather amusing.
Post by
Rankkor
Well...in all fairness, conflict is more interesting; but I just think that their sheer stupidity is rather amusing.
conflict is more intresting than boring peace, but I would had liked it more if it was conflict against a common enemy rather than each other.
already all medieval fantasy settings depict the tipical hatred of humans and orcs to some rather extreme degrees (Specially the neverwinter saga) and I wanted warcraft to take a diferent route, by making humans and orcs stand togheter against a common foe.
and at first it seemed as if they suceeded in warcraft 3, but then along came wow and
WAMMY, all of that died down to mindless pvp :S
Post by
Monday
and BTW 2 extra tidbits. Muradin doesn't "use his thane powers" on the gunship, all he uses are generic warrior skills just like saurfang
Then how did he throw a hammer/axe and take out a reaver?
And seriously, I let you talk about Saurfang and how cool he is and all that without shouting how much cooler other people are, is it too much to ask for the same courtesy?
is it the same on the alliance side? you guys also go right? or the skybreaker is to the left?
Left.
Post by
Rankkor
Then how did he throw a hammer/axe and take out a reaver?
because in both saurfang's and muradin's case the rend is also a ranged skill, but they only have those 2, cleave and rend (wich is also trowable) search muradin on the database of wowhead and you will see.
And seriously, I let you talk about Saurfang and how cool he is and all that without shouting how much cooler other people are, is it too much to ask for the same courtesy?
=/ I wasn't shouting that saurfang was much cooler, I was saying that the choise of voice-actors wasn't the most apropiate one, Muradin's voice actor is kinda too exagerated for a dwarf, IMO the actor who does Brann's voice could had done a better job.
all I said on my post is that A: Muradin doesn't use Thane skills on that particular fight (only rend and cleave as stated by the very own database of wowhead) and B: the voice actor was poorly chosen for him (he clearly deserved a much better one that reflected his coolness)
and the third thing I said on that post was how tier 10 makes BOTH saurfang and muradin look stupid.
both should had been using their traditional armors, Tier 1 for saurfang (he looks absolutely badass on it) and the cusmomized viking outfit for murading (hell tier10 doesn't even let us see his beard O_o)
at no point I said "Saurfang > muradin".
Post by
taurenmoo812
ya =/ what happened to the good'ol days? back to the awesome might of kalimdor? standing united against the shadow? what happened to that awesome united force of good in hyjal? to the defense of the dark portal? to the assault on the black temple? to the horde+alliance joint effort on the sunwell?
the wrathgate was suposed to be the pinnacle of a new age of peace between the alliance and horde.
DAMN YOU PUTRESS! If it was posible, I'd ress you to kill you again you bastard! (/shakes fist)
I think this is more the effects we're seeing of both Garrosh and Varian now in charge of both sides, how at hyjal and silithus, it was Thrall and Jainas leadership that set the example, and of course other characters like saurfang and malfurion, who were all smart enough to realise what was more worht fighting for.
With king chin and turd of grom, they were both clueless in not realisiing they'd be giving Arthas just what he wanted, more undead soldiers to raise. So there example of 'show not mercy' ended up costing more then gaining.
Post by
Rankkor
na, on this we disagree bro'.
as much as I dislike chin-face and bonehead, before the wrathgate both were (relatively) under controll, Garrosh was in charge of the warsong offensive, but wasn't making any move against the alliance.
likewise, Varian while still distrusting the horde, gave command of his forces to bolvar, who did agreed to make a joint effort assault on the wrathgate...
the whole situation was unstable, but not volatile, if it wasn't for putress and varimatra's little plan, the horde and the alliance would had crushed Icecrown Citadel togheter, and vanquish the shadows united.
they would had done so grudginly, and silently bickering from inside, but at least they would had fought as one, just like on hyjal.
the terrible desitions of varian after the wrathgate, and the even worst behaviour of garrosh after the wrathgate are Irrelevant.
had the betrayal of putress been avoided, none of it would had happened.
Post by
taurenmoo812
na, on this we disagree bro'.
as much as I dislike chin-face and bonehead, before the wrathgate both were (relatively) under controll, Garrosh was in charge of the warsong offensive, but wasn't making any move against the alliance.
likewise, Varian while still distrusting the horde, gave command of his forces to bolvar, who did agreed to make a joint effort assault on the wrathgate...
the whole situation was unstable, but not volatile, if it wasn't for putress and varimatra's little plan, the horde and the alliance would had crushed Icecrown Citadel togheter, and vanquish the shadows united.
they would had done so grudginly, and silently bickering from inside, but at least they would had fought as one, just like on hyjal.
the terrible desitions of varian after the wrathgate, and the even worst behaviour of garrosh after the wrathgate are Irrelevant.
had the betrayal of putress been avoided, none of it would had happened.
I agree in that respect to it was putress that broke the unstable alliances between both sides in this.. but we saw how Garrosh was prepared, like a kiddie with play toys, to say they could just destroy the alliance bases to clear the way for them.
Plus, garrosh was commander of the warsong offensive, but Saurfang was more the leader of the kor'korn, so it was more then likely Saurfangs influence that brought the joined battle at the wrathgate.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Well...in all fairness, conflict is more interesting; but I just think that their sheer stupidity is rather amusing.
conflict is more intresting than boring peace, but I would had liked it more if it was conflict against a common enemy rather than each other.
already all medieval fantasy settings depict the tipical hatred of humans and orcs to some rather extreme degrees (Specially the neverwinter saga) and I wanted warcraft to take a diferent route, by making humans and orcs stand togheter against a common foe.
and at first it seemed as if they suceeded in warcraft 3, but then along came wow and
WAMMY, all of that died down to mindless pvp :S
Which is pretty much the playerbase who base the like of Garrosh on for them wanting more reason to lolpwn the alliance.
I consider it like, ones like you and me, fans of the redeemed new horde, to be like the shamans or intelligent warriors like saurfang or Orgrim, well those who think garrosh as something awesome, to be like the old, stupid horde who liked to kill for killings sake, and forgo all honor.
Post by
Rankkor
humm, Thrall gave garrosh complete command over the northrend forces, Saurfang was sent only as an advisor, to try to teach garrosh a thing or 2, but saurfang was't the one giving the orders (he sends you a letter in secret because he does't want garrosh's men to read it, someone in command would simply order the men not to read it)
you think Saurfang would had allowed the broken front if he was in any position of command?
he is at the leading position on the icecrown citadel, but that's mostly because garrosh knows saurfang is the stronges warrior of the orcs, and he sent his best agent to deal with the scourge personally.
but saurfang was never sent as a leader of any kind on northrend. Thrall gave garrosh full command, and while garrosh was barking day and night about crushing alliance toys, he did complied with the envoys, and obeyed the diplomatic routes (that quest to deliver the alliance coward deserters back to valiance keep rather than kill them)
wich means he WAS playing by the rules (if only barely) he really was looking for an excuse to break the truce, and putress gave it to him in a silver platter.
Edit: while saurfang SENIOR wasn't in charge, Saurfang Junior was chosen by garrosh to lead the charge to the wrathgate (both of them being mag'har and growing up togheter may have had something to do with it, but in reality, he knows all saurfangs are just plain awesome)
the whole horde+alliance joint operation was planed and organized by draenosh and bolvar. and I'm guessing garrosh agreed because he's good friends with draenosh (of course I'm mostly influenced by skree's fanfic of garrosh xD we don't now much about our future bonechief)
Post by
Monday
(he sends you a letter in secret because he does't want garrosh's men to read it, someone in command would simply order the men not to read it)
The problem with that though is that Garrosh could simply have a well placed man intercept it, read it, and reseal it. Orders mean nothing to enemy spies.
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