This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
Israel, Honourable Defender or Aggressor?
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
Ever since its declaration of independance in 1948 they have been in controversey and war, the new hebrew population of the newly formed state where mainly made up of jews who escaped the holocost in europe.
Before 1948, the land of Israel never belonged to the Jews. They never had a country there. For thousands of years, they lived elsewhere, not there.
Edit: Nope, never lived there. That land was never Jewish land taken from them.
Edit Edit: Always belonged to the Palastinians.
Post by
Monday
I don't think Israel is too bad...
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
MyTie
Ever since its declaration of independance in 1948 they have been in controversey and war, the new hebrew population of the newly formed state where mainly made up of jews who escaped the holocost in europe.
Before 1948, the land of Israel never belonged to the Jews. They never had a country there. For thousands of years, they lived elsewhere, not there.
is that not what I said?
the new hebrew population of the newly formed stateYep, brand spanking new nation of people. The Hebrew nation was born on 1948. Before that it simply didn't exist.
Ok... sarcasm aside: It is simply asinine to ignore thousands and thousands of years that the Jewish people lived on that land, and the way they were forced from it.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I fail to see how shaky (at best) claims of land-rights has anything to do with killing human rights activists.
Post by
Patty
I fail to see how shaky (at best) claims of land-rights has anything to do with killing human human rights activists.
Yeah, this is too far. Israeli troops gunning down people on aid ships for Gaza, just because they were going to Gaza?
Post by
374287
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Toldry
I'm a citizen of Israel and I came here thinking we'll be discussing the recent occurrence with the aid ship towards Gaza specifically, not the historical right of land and that sort of stuff (Because those arguments are
never
resolved)
So that's what I'll talk about now I guess
I don't think the IDF committed a crime today as many people call it, but they definitely didn't act very well at all.
I mean, seriously. Sending
a lone soldier
to a ship full of people who obviously didn't agree to their previous warnings?
Stupid.
The IDF should obviously have some sort of protocol on the way to take care of situations like these, and they did so very poorly.
But as I said before, I don't think what they did was a
crime
. From what I understand, they went there to try and stop them without violence, but then the supporters came to them with cold weapons and tried to kill them. Naturally they retaliated, and sadly, that resulted in the loss of 16 lives.
What they did was a act of self defense, so I don't think that they committed a crime.
Post by
MyTie
Sadly a real debate can rarely be had as many pro-Israelis attack anyone criticizing them in the slightest as antisemites and holocaust deniers, who must surely want to drive Israel into the sea. They're joined by delusional religious zealots in my country who believe Israel will be the site of a "judgement day, soon to come" so they have to defend Israel regardless of their behavior in hopes that their apocalypse will play out. Noone's denying there are terrorists as well on the other side, but they're landless actors with no legitimate voice. Israel is in theory a "democracy", and an ally of the US. It's expected to (and should) behave better than this.
Until we stop funding their military and shielding them from their own actions they will continue to bully whoever they like in that region with impunity. And I don't see us stopping them anytime soon.
You can't just look at one side of this arguement and expect to get away with it. I could, for instance, point out that Arafat wrote the book on suicide bombings. Therefore, I could say of the Palastinians, that we need to stop funding their military and shielding them from their own actions they will continue to bully whoever they like in that region with impunity.It goes both ways. Both sides are wrong. Both sides have blood on their hands. Demanding the surrender of one side is narrow minded.
Post by
Heckler
Since when does the United States fund the Palestinian miltary?
I just dug this up with 5 seconds of effort on google from the State Department
(It's dated 2005, so maybe you're referring to something in the last 5 years?)
U.S. economic aid to the Palestinians has averaged about $85 million per
year since 1993;
there has been no military aid
.
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Heckler
What I realy think should of been done from the start was America could of gave the Hebrews a fairly unnocupied state in the USA in the midwest simular to how the Native American Reservations are but probebly on more of a federal run level.
I doubt many Native Americans or Israelis would agree with you on this one -- the Reservation system is pretty much a failure when viewed from any angle (at least the ones my family lives on).
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Why is taking American land any better than taking Palestinian land?
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Heckler
The population of American is preaty much made up of immigrants so there would not have been too much fierce opposition to it from the current occupiers
As much as I agree with this -- a very large majority of Americans view immigrants of any kind as a very bad thing. Your comment, as correct as it might seem from a certain context, is just horribly wrong in reality.
I would be willing to guess that America is one of the most Xenophobic countries around -- opposition would certainly be 'fierce.'
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Why is taking American land any better than taking Palestinian land?
Well becouse alot of the land in the USA, specificly the ranges of the middle west, is fairly unnocupied and could do with farmers and workers.
Where as the lands in palastine had a much higher population density,
Also it was America who was fighting to get the Israelites the land to begin with and it was unfair and slightly unresponsible.
The population of American is preaty much made up of immigrants so there would not have been too much fierce opposition to it from the current occupiers
Immigration is absolutely nothing like giving up American land. You're willing to displace hundreds of thousands of Americans in order to give a foreign power American land?
Post by
375923
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.