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What existed before the universe?
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Post by
Toldu
This belongs in Randomness.
Only God existed before the physical universe.
God exists outside our conception of time, therefore He has existed forever (as we perceive it) and He has no creator.
He exists without a physical universe (before He created it) because He is not physical, He's a spiritual being.
Everything we can percieve was created by God.
He created all matter and energy
ex nihilo
.
Is there an "outside" of our universe? If not, then that means our universe has no bounds. If so, then we have no way of knowing what exists outside it, if anything at all.
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Manlius
God is fake.
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588688
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Hyperspacerebel
If God doesn't need to have a creator, why does the universe?
"God did it by an unknown method" does nothing to improve our knowledge of anything.
Because the universe exists through cause and effect.
Post by
Laihendi
This belongs in Randomness.
Only God existed before the physical universe.
God exists outside our conception of time, therefore He has existed forever (as we perceive it) and He has no creator.
He exists without a physical universe (before He created it) because He is not physical, He's a spiritual being.
Everything we can percieve was created by God.
He created all matter and energy
ex nihilo
.
Is there an "outside" of our universe? If not, then that means our universe has no bounds. If so, then we have no way of knowing what exists outside it, if anything at all.
This definitely makes sense.
Post by
Adamsm
The Nothing existed before the Universe, and it was happy... then Existence came and *!@#ed it off.
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204878
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Orranis
Why must the something that always existed and created everything else be a single sentient being?
Couldn't it could just as easily be the finite amount of energy and matter in our universe that has always existed?
Because the universe exists through cause and effect.
If there is one exception to the rule, God, then it is not a rule. By your own definitions, assuming the universe is everything, this cannot be true. You want to say "Everything but God exists through cause and affect."
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Hyperspacerebel
Because the universe exists through cause and effect.
If there is one exception to the rule, God, then it is not a rule. By your own definitions, assuming the universe is everything, this cannot be true.
God isn't part of the universe so it wouldn't be correct to call him an exception. It's like saying oranges are all orange, except bananas.
Because the universe exists through cause and effect.
Source for this information?
Basic sensory knowledge coupled with common sense.
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148723
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Orranis
Because the universe exists through cause and effect.
If there is one exception to the rule, God, then it is not a rule. By your own definitions, assuming the universe is everything, this cannot be true.
God isn't part of the universe so it wouldn't be correct to call him an exception. It's like saying oranges are all orange, except bananas.
Okay, I did say assuming the universe was everything, but whatever.
how do you know that the universe exists through cause and affect?
If we say that everything in existence, but God, operates through cause and affect, then it is not a rule, and the possibility that other exceptions are brought into being.
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Hyperspacerebel
Okay, I did say assuming the universe was everything, but whatever.
Why would we assume that?
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Orranis
Okay, I did say assuming the universe was everything, but whatever.
Why would we assume that?
I meant that, for the sake of my argument, the definition of 'universe' meant everything in existence. All dimensions or whatnot.
Post by
MeanMachine
"God did it by an unknown method" does nothing to improve our knowledge of anything.
And how would it? We have no tools to "see" beyond the observable universe, and that boundary appears to us with a several billion year delay. Neither can we see before the universe, for if anything that huge bang was all too uniform. No fingerprints left to see what caused it. Not to mention that our backtracking only extends shortly before the actual event.
Would that stop those who wish to go beyond that? Of course not. And while it's easy to claim that God is bull*!@#, for all you know, something sentient might have caused our universe. Now, I have to admit that I doubt such an all-powerful god would have bothered creating the world planet by planet and species by species. Why not just concentrate energy in one place past every critical point and leave it to expand and self-organize. Sounds much more divine to me, but hey, that's only an opinion.
Equally wishful are physics professors who try to do the same with lots of groundless assumptions. Or those that start everything with the Big Bang. And where did so much energy come from? Nowhere? I like to use the phrase, "In the beginning there was nothing ... which exploded." Goes to show how you can build a cult even around science.
In the end I can't answer the OP's question, cause I have no bloody idea. Sometimes "I don't know" is a lot better than a possible answer which, however, you have no way of proving and for some reason we must take as fact.
Now, there are theories which aren't groundless that may provide a wider definition of the universe, as is string theory. Before anything is proven, though, I'm not going to preach it because it's just as valid as "God created it", despite all the elegant math. I can't help it but wonder how the definition of divine will change if ever we are able to access 11 dimensions. Should be interesting to see what happens in the next decade.
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Post by
Zoltas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw
this vid makes it all clear now.
That video first states that there was no beginning, that 'something' has always been 'here'
Then goes on to state that time had to have a 'beginning'. Riiight.
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