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Battle.net Real ID System - Call To Arms
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Post by
Rilgon
Ask yourself: To what extent has Blizzard proven to be successful in protecting their customers(game) from hacking, theft
That's
not Blizzard's responsibility.
Their responsibility is to ensure that the authentication servers are secure. There has been no demonstrated example of Blizzard's authentication or database servers being compromised.
If
you
allow your account credentials to become compromised, that is not Blizzard's fault.
gold selling, account selling/trading, arena point/rating buying/selling etc...etc.
Because Blizzard has the ability to kill every secondary market in the game. They can immediately shut down a remote server that isn't within the United States and isn't under the jurisdiction of the DMCA.
Oh.
Wait.
Post by
Lourss
I'm going to add my brother, my girlfriend, and my best friend, and that's it, because those are the only people I know intimately enough and want that much contact with.
I'm sorry that you're incapable of using Real ID how it was meant to be used?
Well good for you... This would make the ID chat system useless for me.. why?
I already got my friends' and brother's most important toons, their skype, their steam etc. and is always in contact with them when I want to chat
Damn, at first I was excited.. now I realized it's useless :(
Post by
seebs
There is a pretty serious problem with the current implementation, which is that it is not sufficient that you use this only with people you trust. You must also be sure that they will never, ever, friend someone you don't trust.
The friends-of-friends thing is crippling.
The use of real names is only really bad for a small number of people, but for those people, it is potentially
extremely
bad -- as in, using this could endanger their ability to continue metabolizing in the real world.
Finally, the decision to require that you give out your login name -- the special email Blizzard said should be a unique address used only for battle.net and NEVER shared with ANYONE, not even friends, not even real life friends -- is just plain dumb.
This system is stupid, and there is no possible way I will use it with the current flaws.
Post by
seebs
I'm going to use it, because I understand how it's meant to be used.
Good luck with that.
I'm going to add my brother, my girlfriend, and my best friend, and that's it, because those are the only people I know intimately enough and want that much contact with.
Have any of those people, in the time you've known them, ever trusted someone you didn't trust? Are you completely sure that none of them will ever accept a friend request from, or give a friend request to, someone you don't trust with your personal information? Remember,
all friends of friends get this information
.
Which of those people do you think you would normally feel comfortable sharing your WoW login information with? (Remember that giving someone else your login information is a bannable offense...)
I'm sorry that you're incapable of using Real ID how it was meant to be used?
And I'm sorry you can't think through the consequences of an action past your initial intent.
Post by
Toontang
It just seems contradictory to me that they say things like being able to have a "call to arms"
That's the OP's words, not Blizzard's.
He's on a crusade to try and turn Real ID into something it wasn't designed to be.
I arrived at this conclusion after reading the original press on Real ID.
The system would be amazing for all players with a couple of optional tweaks. Instead the "tweak" is to call the entire system optional.
From what I've read from most people.. they say "well you just don't understand". Then they go on to say, and I'm only going to invite maybe 3 or 4 people who are my real trusted friends.
Really? Blizz created a system for which I think the average user will ignore out of some level of privacy concern (even as basic as not wanting your every minute online traceable by friends)... and of the audience who will use it, they are going to get user who maybe will connect to 3 or 4 people?
I guess I really don't get it. I don't get why blizz would create a systemwide chat program and then limit it's scope so narrow that we are even having this conversation.
Very nice, to the point and insightful!
Somehow people are thinking in such tiny little boxes that they actually think "its optional" is some type of solution. There is a belief that this was meant for those that you completely trust, the fact is they SAY that to cover there own ass. They add no parental controls no privacy settings once so ever. none.
"it won't effect me because i understand how poorly it was designed" is not a solution, its a inward thinking selfish mindset that lacks community thinking or social thinking. ME ME ME.
so to those small minded people - We KNOW opt out is the solution blizzard has presented, we are saying, opt out is NOT a solution
That is a no-brainer, that is the point.
It upsets me mostly because as a software developer, I can see the solution, the easy tweeks that make this system functional, but they chose not to add them, not because of its intended use. They chose not to add them for a reason, to see how prevalent the system becomes used with so little privacy settings. i.e. Can we pull this off?
OK... If that is not the case, the software development team is a sleep at the wheel, and i just don't accept that of a company like blizzard, there is research and intent behind almost all things they do.
They are adding this. They give you no privacy settings, just use it or don't, they do nothing to protect children, that will come in the future. If you have any sense of community, this should upset you.
Post by
Slow958
Trashwalk, as a fellow developer I 100% agree with you.
I think Blizzard will cave and change this eventually. But once the info is already out, its too late. So hopefully people will not use the system as much as Blizzard would hope, pushing them to change it.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Trashwalk, you keep saying opting out is not a solution. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
If a person is allergic to milk, he doesn't drink it. Those who do like it drink it. Just because there are people allergic to milk doesn't make milk any less "broken."
This system was made for a certain use. If it doesn't do that for you, then you shouldn't use it.
Post by
Farmington
OK... If that is not the case, the software development team is a sleep at the wheel, and i just don't accept that of a company like blizzard, there is research and intent behind almost all things they do.
They are adding this. They give you no privacy settings, just use it or don't, they do nothing to protect children, that will come in the future. If you have any sense of community, this should upset you.
I agree with Trashwalk. I'm simply stunned that the person that suggested the "friends-of-friends" feature and the real name feature with no privacy settings wasn't fired on the spot for idiocy. Especially since such a large proportion of the player base is composed of minor children.
Post by
rpmckenzie
A feature similar to this was a requirement in FFXI Online. There's a real simple solution: invisible status. If it's not already part of the "Real ID" feature, it will be, I can promise that. Also, you can lock whichever of your player profiles you want, making them anonymous too all who wish to view them (in FFXI you could go to the Playonline lobby and view your friends "pages" which included all of their characters and their self made bios).
The concept is simple if you couldn't tell by the name, you can go "invisible" and have it appear as if you're offline. You can still see which of your "Real ID" friends are online, but they cannot see you.
I don't think this is as big of an issue as some of us are making it out to be, in fact, I don't think its an issue at all. There are simple fixes to it. If Blizz hasn't already implemented them then it's foolish to think they won't. Just because this is new to WoW doesn't mean its new to the MMO.
If you have a giant (paranoid IMO) problem with this feature, I agree with the method of not using it. Just wait it out until it is updated to your standards of security then start using it.
Edit: typo
Your post assumes (rightly or wrongly) that at some point the flaws in the system will be fixed.
I am sure it will be made into a model of flawless execution. Maybe right around the same time the in-game voice chat system is made to work so well that ventrilo is no longer necessary?
I'm just saying, past history does not make your assumptions *necessarily* logical.
You may be correct, it's possible. I for one will not be holding my breath (or giving anyone my RealID).
I agree with you, FFXI did not have near as much hacking because it was not as populated and a lot harder to get into technically.
When I was talking about Blizz fixing things I was mostly thinking of the LFD and BG systems and the progress (however slow its been) its made. Its come quite a ways. Going off of that something a lot simpler that carries a security risk might be fixed a little faster, just guessing.
I will be right with you not holding my breath, I'm going to expect it to be fixed in some ways though.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Trashwalk, you keep saying opting out is not a solution. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
If a person is allergic to milk, he doesn't drink it. Those who do like it drink it. Just because there are people allergic to milk doesn't make milk any less "broken."
This system was made for a certain use. If it doesn't do that for you, then you shouldn't use it.
You just compared RealID to a potentially life-threatening allergy...I'm not sure how to take that and I think you're helping his point...
How am I helping his point? The problem isn't with milk, it's with the people allergic to it. Likewise the problem with RealID is with the people who don't understand it's use, not RealID itself.
And how is comparing threatening the integrity of one's body not analogous to threatening the integrity of one's account?
Post by
Dosha
I dont understand why they could not make it kind of like X-box live freinds or Steam. Where you use a gamertag or handle. If they did that and gave you options to not show your name or E-mail address it would be a great feature to have. You could add anyone you met and got along with in someway without comprimizing your account safety or personal information. I dont know what in gods name they were thinking when they made this. Just so you can add people you know in real life. I dont know anyone in real life that plays WoW the freind that got me into it quit playing over a year ago, So its just some worthless peice that I will never even touch.
Post by
Farmington
How am I helping his point? The problem isn't with milk, it's with the people allergic to it. Likewise the problem with RealID is with the people who don't understand it's use, not RealID itself.
And how is comparing threatening the integrity of one's body not analogous to threatening the integrity of one's account?
Unfortunately, many of the people who will try out Real-ID don't realize that they are allergic... yet.
Being stalked in-game is one thing, giving people the tools to stalk you in real life is quite another.
Post by
blakley
I had a personal development plan for World of Warcraft, and Blizz didn't do it right!
Instead, they did it according to their own development plan.
WTF
Post by
seebs
How am I helping his point? The problem isn't with milk, it's with the people allergic to it. Likewise the problem with RealID is with the people who don't understand it's use, not RealID itself.
I agree.
Everyone I have so far seen claim that they are considering using it has shown that they do not understand how it works. And if a large number of people who don't understand the privacy issues are thinking of using it, that suggests that it will, in fact, be used in ways that are dangerous.
In and of itself, it's harmless, and also useless. It's only if people try to use it that there's a problem.
Sharing login information with anyone, ever: Bad. Should not do, even if you "trust" them.
Showing real names to friends-of-friends: Also Bad.
I'm not super concerned about secrecy -- "seebs" is the nym I use everywhere else, too, and it's not super hard, given that, to find my home address, phone number, and so on. People do sometimes. But I have friends who are, for various reasons, more concerned. They do not post under their real names, because doing so gets them anonymously-shipped boxes of sex toys, or notes slippped under their door threatening them with rape. Both of those are, I would point out,
examples of things that have actually happened to people I know
.
And the problem is... It's not just that they'd have to be "careful" using RealID. Say they find out that I am genuinely totally trustworthy; God comes down, hands 'em some stone tablets, and the stone tablets read:
I. SEEBS IS A PRETTY COOL GUY EH RESPECTS PRIVACY AND DOESNT AFRAID OF ANYTHING.
So they friend me. No problem, right? They're using the system exactly as it's intended.
And then... I've friended both of them, and they now see
each other's
names. Oops. That wasn't intended. Neither of them knows the other to be trustworthy. In fact, maybe they aren't. Or maybe I also friend someone else because, hey, I've got nothing to fear.
So it's not enough that you only friend people you can trust, but that you only friend people who will only friend people that
you
can trust. And this creates a problem: How do I find out, without revealing your real name to people that maybe have a grudge against you, whether they have a grudge against you? How do I know who can be trusted, not just by me, but by everyone on my friends list? How do I know, not only who I can trust, but who will never friend anyone I can't trust?
Answer: What a strange game. The only way to win is not to play at all.
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