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Regarding DW frost mechanics
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not trying to repeat what was stated but more to enforce it.
B: Razorice's proc rate is pretty much 100% chance on hit so putting it on your offhand is better since no matter what you can keep it at 5stacks. FC doesn't have a 100% chance to proc but having it on your MH gives you a better chance of having the buff most of the fight.
D: as kapucha stated above. since alot of frost dw's dmg comes from auto attacks having more hit then the minimum (5%) isn't considered a wasted stat. spell hit cap is 13% which you don't necessarily have to aim for but if you get gear that puts you over the minimum cap don't worry too much about it. The only thing you shouldn't do is gem/enchant for more hit if your already over the minimum. Also your OH's hit cap is 27% so just know that no matter how much hit you get you'll never reach that number. Don't strive for it as the amount of itemization you'd have to put into that would render a large dps loss.
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Zakkhar
B: Razorice's proc rate is pretty much 100% chance on hit so putting it on your offhand is better since no matter what you can keep it at 5stacks. FC doesn't have a 100% chance to proc but having it on your MH gives you a better chance of having the buff most of the fight.
Its thinking with rogues or warriors. But if dk hit with both weapons in melee and with both weapons with instants, no matter what, and both weapon have exactly the same hit chance, why would exactly MH hit more often?
There are no finishers done with MH, no Sinister strikes and no Heroic strikes/Cleaves.
Also your OH's hit cap is 27% so just know that no matter how much hit you get you'll never reach that number. Don't strive for it as the amount of itemization you'd have to put into that would render a large dps loss.
You sir shouldnt post false information.
27% hard hit cap is a result of added 19% miss penalty (8+19=27) for
both
weapons. Its reduced by 3% due to talents.
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apocalypsa
MH would hit more often because when the MH attack misses, so does the OH, but when the MH attack hits, the OH can still miss.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Miss
i suggest you check this out:
The Base Miss Rate for White Attacks is calculated using the difference between the attacker’s Attack Rating and the defender’s Defense. It is 5% if the Attack Rating is equal to the Defense Skill. If a player is Dual Wielding, they inherit an additional 19% miss chance.
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woohaa
You sir shouldnt post false information.
27% hard hit cap is a result of added 19% miss penalty (8+19=27) for both weapons. Its reduced by 3% due to talents.
lol? having it reduced by 3% or having a penalty doesn't change the number...it's still 27% with talents and gear you still have to hit the number. just because we say you only have to have 24% hit to reach that number does not change the fact you need 27%.
B: Rune of Fallencrusader and Razorice, does RoF procs off my melee special attacks if ToT works like how I suggested. If so would it be beneficial to put RoF in my OH and Razorice in my MH for better dps when I have loads of hit rating? Or would twin RoF yield better uptime?
sigh...the OP didn't ask about purely skilled attacks. he asked if putting razorice on his MH and RoF on his offhand or twin RoFs would yield him better uptime. since your runeforges proc off AUTOATTACKS as well as skills. having the one with 100% proc rate on the weapon with the worst hit rating is better then having the runeforge with the worst proc rating on the OH which has the worst hit rating. The twin RoF part of the question had been answered so i didn't mention that.
if you want to help stop attempting to be a smartass. yes i said attempting because a smartass would atleast have proved me wrong while being an ass...you sir are just an ass.
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Zakkhar
You sir shouldnt post false information.
27% hard hit cap is a result of added 19% miss penalty (8+19=27) for
both
weapons. Its reduced by 3% due to talents..
lol? having it reduced by 3% or having a penalty doesn't change the number...it's still 27% with talents and gear you still have to hit the number. just because we say you only have to have 24% hit to reach that number does not change the fact you need 27%.
You missed the point even though i bolded it. Sigh.
MH would hit more often because when the MH attack misses, so does the OH, but when the MH attack hits, the OH can still miss.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Miss
i suggest you check this out:
The Base Miss Rate for White Attacks is calculated using the difference between the attacker’s Attack Rating and the defender’s Defense. It is 5% if the Attack Rating is equal to the Defense Skill. If a player is Dual Wielding, they inherit an additional 19% miss chance.
And where in the quote does it state this MH miss = OH miss rule you just posted? Its nothing different to what i wrote.
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kantri
Wow.
First of all, you actually will have a slightly higher uptime on FC if you put it on your OH weapon. The reason is the OH weapon NEVER misses on special attacks, even if the MH weapon gets parried which can happen on a lot of bosses that spin and turn to attack random players. This is such a small increase though that RNG will all but erase any advantage you gain by having FC on OH.
Razorice damage is based on the MH weapon, so in the OH or MH it will proc the same amount of damage. This damage is so insignificant though that it does not matter at all and should be ignored. The stack builds so quickly now that it is 100% that it does not matter what hand it is in.
Short answer, it does not matter.
The thing about the weapons being the same speed but getting desynced is just a matter of the way DK instant strikes work. There is a small delay in our strikes and that gets the weapons out of sync.
And finally, as far as I know you do get an increased proc on rime because of the double strikes of OB. I was unaware that Blizzard thought this was a bug and has since fixed it and that could entirely be true but to my knowledge it still works in that manner. I would love to see some evidence or official posting to the contrary.
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Thanks for the patch notes quote.
I know EJ is not gospel to everyone, but the accepted knowledge is that OH hits can never miss regardless of the MH hit/miss/parry.
I would think this would be pretty easy to anecdotally test on a dummy while naked; enough to confirm or deny with a small degree of certainty.
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