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Official Warlock Cataclysm Thread
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Post by
Fingulfin
hehe, I know the feeling =P
Post by
asakawa
mmmm, coffee. roasting some beans today actually ^_^
yup, a GCD decrease on all spells would amount to one glyph giving 50% haste to all instants O.o
Post by
DraconisAerius
i just can't get excited about affliction in cataclysm. i'm looking forward to demo (and destro to a lesser extent).
Actually I think afflic has a few exciting talents in it's tree. For example the most exciting way of useing soulburn, the
soulburn:seed
talent.
Soul Swap
also makes me want the afflic tree more (especially with the glyph), no more watching a mob die with almost full length dots going still.
Jinx
is another that I think deserves a mention. Finally we have the ability to just use CoE once. And of course Drain Life. It's upgraded abilities are brilliant at the least, giving it much more of a bite and much more appeal to use.
Also I got wondering, will all the cc we are going to be doing in cata, would Howl of Terror and a Earthbind Totem be a good combo? Keeps them feared and still keeps them from running away into other mobs.
Post by
asakawa
i'm not saying that affliction hasn't had some attention it's just not grabbing me very much but that might very well be more to do with where i'm at than where the tree is.
jinx is cool but we need to spend two points in the second tier of a tree to get the ability for our spell damage debuuf to be as good as an unholy DK. given that CoS and CoE were originally our abilities that makes me a wee bit sad.
if you've never really played this game during a period where CC was an important factor then you probably wouldn't know but it's about focussing on specific targets. given HoT's cooldown it's not CC is an emergency button.
on the last boss in mechanar we used to chain AoE fears on the adds to allow the group to focus the boss down but it took a concerted effort; usually warrior > priest > warlock > then hope he's dead.
Post by
TheVorago
mmmm, coffee. roasting some beans today actually ^_^
even roasting them yourself? as hardcore an epicure as wow-er I see ^_^
myself I draw the limit at grinding them. but damn if coffee aint the love of my life.
Post by
asakawa
even roasting them yourself? as hardcore an epicure as wow-er I see ^_^
hehe, it's a very small operation including a popcorn popper but it works really well
myself I draw the limit at grinding them. but damn if coffee aint the love of my life.
i'm totally with you on that. grinding yourself makes a big difference doesn't it? roasting can go quite wrong and give you some dreadful tasting coffee but when you get it right it's really delicious. the hardest part is that you've got to wait for at least 24 hours after roasting them >.<
(sorry for the terrible off-topic-ness but coffee is srs bsns!)
Post by
Razmortis
even roasting them yourself? as hardcore an epicure as wow-er I see ^_^
hehe, it's a very small operation including a popcorn popper but it works really well
myself I draw the limit at grinding them. but damn if coffee aint the love of my life.
i'm totally with you on that. grinding yourself makes a big difference doesn't it? roasting can go quite wrong and give you some dreadful tasting coffee but when you get it right it's really delicious. the hardest part is that you've got to wait for at least 24 hours after roasting them >.<
(sorry for the terrible off-topic-ness but coffee is srs bsns!)
I demand a youtube video!
Edit: Might be a bit off topic, too, but anyone who's gotten their warlock copied over to the PTR yet? I'm one of those who don't have a Cata beta key. ó_ò
Also, any way one could get a hold of a beta key in any way these days? Or am I doomed to wait the 6 day wait time for my lock to get copied to the PTR to get a taste of some nice 4.0.1 action?
Post by
TheVorago
even roasting them yourself? as hardcore an epicure as wow-er I see ^_^
hehe, it's a very small operation including a popcorn popper but it works really well
myself I draw the limit at grinding them. but damn if coffee aint the love of my life.
i'm totally with you on that. grinding yourself makes a big difference doesn't it? roasting can go quite wrong and give you some dreadful tasting coffee but when you get it right it's really delicious. the hardest part is that you've got to wait for at least 24 hours after roasting them >.<
(sorry for the terrible off-topic-ness but coffee is srs bsns!)
it IS indeed serious business ;)
lol, I've never heard about popcorn popper roasting before. but whatever gets the job done. yeah, grinding sure makes a great difference. and we swedes are pretty darn fanatic about our strong coffee. but i congratulate you on taking it one step further :)
Post by
mindthegap5
So what are the cooldowns going to be on these new soul shards, because if they are too long they will limit what we can do and if they are too short then it's gonna be a little OP running round firing instant soulfires at everyone?
I was thinking around the 10 second mark if there'l be 3 of them so you manage them per 3.5 ish seconds kinda like a DK and his runes.
Also i'd like to add to the argument above and say " why don't you just drink instant coffee and live with it, saving money on beans and machines?"
Post by
DraconisAerius
So what are the cooldowns going to be on these new soul shards, because if they are too long they will limit what we can do and if they are too short then it's gonna be a little OP running round firing instant soulfires at everyone?
I was thinking around the 10 second mark if there'l be 3 of them so you manage them per 3.5 ish seconds kinda like a DK and his runes.
Ok lets start here. The runes don't have a cooldown. They are refreshed via either
Drain Soul
or
Soul Harvest
. Also I don't think you quite understand how the Death Knight rune system works, nor how it will work in cata, but that's not relevent in the warlock forum. You will in effect have only 3 shards to burn per single target fight, though in a fight with adds you will have the oppertunitey to refresh them each time an add dies.
While the question would have bean answered if you read the entire thread, 22 pages of people commenting back and forth, some of it obsolite information as well, is rather daunting.
Also i'd like to add to the argument above and say " why don't you just drink instant coffee and live with it, saving money on beans and machines?"
I don't know about where you are from but where I live the instant stuff is more expensive (probably since they have to do more stuff to it) than the beans. So over a long enough period of time buying the beans and a machine will work out cheaper than buying the other rubbish.
Post by
LookOut
Ok lets start here. The runes don't have a cooldown. They are refreshed via either
Drain Soul
or
Soul Harvest
.
wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong
Confusing much? First you say runes don't have a cd, then you say they are refreshed by 2 lock abilities, while runes are a dk mechanic. Ok? o_O
Shards DO have a cd, since their only use iirc is
Soulburn
, which has a
45 sec cd
!
Also, shards can't be refreshed in combat it seems, since Soul Harvest can't be used in combat, and Drain Soul only yields shards when the target dies. Unless they're keeping the mechanic that gives each Drain Soul tick a chance to give a shard (tooltip doesn't state this).
Post by
Rekijan
Ok lets start here. The runes don't have a cooldown. They are refreshed via either
Drain Soul
or
Soul Harvest
.
wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong
Confusing much? First you say runes don't have a cd, then you say they are refreshed by 2 lock abilities, while runes are a dk mechanic. Ok? o_O
Replace his 'runes' with shards, which is most likely a mistype and he is mostly right.
Although shards themselves indeed don't have a cd, you can't use them faster then once per 45 seconds, but that isn't exactly the same as a cd on shards.
Post by
LookOut
Ok lets start here. The runes don't have a cooldown. They are refreshed via either
Drain Soul
or
Soul Harvest
.
wrongwrongwrongwrongwrong
Confusing much? First you say runes don't have a cd, then you say they are refreshed by 2 lock abilities, while runes are a dk mechanic. Ok? o_O
Replace his 'runes' with shards, which is most likely a mistype and he is mostly right.
Although shards themselves indeed don't have a cd, you can't use them faster then once per 45 seconds, but that isn't exactly the same as a cd on shards.
Let me quote the third phrase.
Also I don't think you quite understand how the Death Knight rune system works, nor how it will work in cata, but that's not relevent in the warlock forum.
If he meant shards (which he probably did), the third phrase only made it more confusing. And saying shards don't have a cd is confusing as well, since you cannot use them more often than 45 secs anyways.
I have to admit though, the sentence after my quotations (about adds dying = shards refreshed) is well pointed out.
Post by
Rekijan
Saying shards have a cooldown of 45 seconds
is
confusing. It is not like you get a new shard every 45 seconds, you can only spend one every 45 second which is totally different.
So lets try and give a clear answer.
So what are the cooldowns going to be on these new soul shards?
A shard doesn't refresh (becomes available again) during combat unless you can make use of
drain soul
.
The only way to spend a soul shard (as far as we know now) is by using
Soulburn
, which does have a cooldown of 45 seconds.
Outside of combat you can use
Harvest soul
to replenish all 3 of your soul shards if you get the full channeled cast of.
I also believe the regenerate slowly out of combat if you wait, but I don't have a confirmation about that nor a specific time.
Post by
asakawa
i've not heard of the passive regeneration of shards and it kinda feels like a mechanic like that would work counter to the in-game logic that you're actually in possession of "souls".
demon soul
was originally billed as a shard using ability but it had it's cooldown increased and shard cost removed leaving us with just soul burn.
45 seconds does feel a bit long, particularly on effects like seed of corruption but it's understandable that you would want people using 3 instant soulfires in 3 GCDs in arena.
Post by
Fingulfin
You do not regenerate shards passively out of combat. You MUST make use of Soul Harvest, Drain Soul or Shadowburn to gain shards back.
Post by
asakawa
You do not regenerate shards passively out of combat. You MUST make use of Soul Harvest, Drain Soul
or Shadowburn
to gain shards back.
now there's a spell i haven't even thought about in about 4 years!
thanks for the reminder, looks good.
Post by
DraconisAerius
It's a shame we can't use
Shadowburn
as the spamable instant cast for when we are moving, it's much better than
Fel Flame
.
Post by
mindthegap5
Instant coffee is made by dropping a mist of incredibly strong coffee through a vat full of hot air, by the time it gets to the bottom it is solid and has collected into little lumps. :)
Post by
asakawa
well fel flame is the green fire that warlocks have been pleading for since beta and if they're positioning shadowburn as the drain soul for destro then i think that's a pretty good PvE niche. if fel flame is a little lacklustre then i think that probably just needs looking at. as a new spell i'm all for it.
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