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Post by
asakawa
aha, i'm surprised the NDA has been lifted right now but that's cool.
i've been following some of this stuff by nefarious means so it'll be nice to actually discuss it openly now.
agreed BoH looks fun but it's difficult to think of really good applications in current content. the initial "wow! beacon for damage!" wears off and you're left with 15% of your damage going to a secondary target. nice for an add fight maybe - bane the boss and still get some of your add damage on that boss.
just seems that 15% is too low to be useful on lots of stuff but any higher would be OP on some very particular situations.
anyway, fun times ahead!
edit: btw, where's my demon bolt?
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Post by
asakawa
yeah, it'll actually be pretty interesting weighing up if it will be better than doom.
i've been mulling it over and thinking through current content (as examples only):
marrowgar - is 15% of the damage you do to spikes better than doom? (i doubt it)
DW - awesome fight for BoH!
saurfang - is 15% of damage done to beasts more than doom? (i think probably yes)
fester - useless
rotface - useless
PP - probably pretty good
princes - interesting one, probably useless
BQL - useless
valithria - awesome
sindy - useless
LK - awesome
on further reflection my guess is that this will be a good enough talent that it becomes accepted that demo and affliction both sink 21 points into destro to get it (like the good old days ^_^).
destro will likely go deeper into demo for master conjurer and demo empowerment (synergy with emp imp).
though the trees WILL change a lot and that previous statement may well look pretty daft by the time we get to release ^_^
they're said that they are pruning out talents like the separate threat and range talents etc. so expect alterations.
(also, no need to link to MMO-c for this stuff. wowhead is hosting it all too.)
Post by
Fingulfin
Now that the NDA is lifted (is it?) can we talk about datamined info? Just curious.
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356172
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Post by
asakawa
Now that the NDA is lifted (is it?) can we talk about datamined info? Just curious.
the NDA is lifted
(source
)
if it were a trick being played on us then we could still discuss information that wowhead has published without wowhead moderators getting upset with us and everything in this thread is on wowhead.
edit: ah, i see. you're asking if it's ok to discuss other things from the alpha. well, cataclysm is now in beta and players of that beta are free to discuss what they see so i think the cat is entirely out of the bag now.
regarding that, zarhym also said:
Bear in mind that the EULA still prevents reverse-engineering or otherwise data-mining of the Cataclysm beta client. Linking to or sharing data-mined information is a violation of the forum Code of Conduct. Essentially, anything that testers can't access via beta gameplay shouldn't be posted on the forums.
this forum isn't that forum but one of the wowhead rules is that noting should be posted here that breaks or encourages others to break the game's EULA. as such i would imagine linking to datamined alpha images would be a bad idea but discussing alpha leaks would surely be fine.
Post by
Fingulfin
Wasn't planning on linking images or anything, just discussing spells leaked from the cata spell DCBs.
More like this:
80228 | Demonic Quickness | Increases the movement speed of you and your summoned Demon by (8/15)% while your summoned demon is active. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects.
Looks like a 2 point talent that will probably go in one of the first two tiers of the Demo tree. Seeing as talents like Fel Vitality and Demonic Embrace are going away, seems like the logical location.
Post by
Joim
If the tree would end like it is right now (doubtful), I'd go with
this
build for my lock.
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356172
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Post by
LookOut
edit: btw, where's my demon bolt?
This.
Also: Fel domination still in the talent tree (and apparently Fel Vitality and Demonic Embrace will vanish as well? :-/), No arrow between Demonic Tactics and Improved Demonic Tactics, ...
Bane of Havoc aside, Hand of Gul'Dan looks pretty nice as well. Something like a second aoe. Blizz said they intended on Hellfire becoming the demo aoe, so this might be a spell to throw in once in a while (2.5 sec cast and 12 sec cd atm). Affliction doesn't have a new talent yet, even though the designer notes say affli is 60% "completed" and demo and destro only 20% xD
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566179
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Post by
LookOut
You might wanna hold out on changing glyphs. They might change them instead of removing them.
Also, the new abilities will get glyphs as well. Glyph of Fel Flame anyone?
Post by
asakawa
i'm surprised i'm the only one who thinks bane of havoc will become the de facto secondary tree for all non-destro builds.
particularly in fmatt's build, going 20 points deep then dropping the last into fel synergy.
i hope to see a lot of change in the low demo talents (and expect to from what the blues have said about a lot of those talents), on live there's really dps gain in demo until aegis so i don't see anything to go for that's better than BoH.
Post by
asakawa
double posting so it gets seen (sorry)
fmatt, maybe you could rename the thread something like "official warlock cataclysm thread" so we can channel the general cataclysm discussion into one thread and save the board from getting peppered with "dis bild wil b teh ossum!" threads and simple one question/one answer threads.
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Post by
asakawa
very true. CoA is an odd spell in that it's only got that one talent propping it up and it's strength (for affliction) comes more from the fact that talents like shadow mastery
don't
support CoD. i'd like to see it get a bit of love tbh.
as for BoH it may come down to the content. early tier raiding tends to be simpler than later in an expansion so BoH may be something that starts off underwhelming but gets stronger as more of the content supports it... maybe.
destro looks like the build that will change the least as we move into cataclysm to me.
this build
seems the most logical. the last glyph would need theorycrafting - immolate will benefit from haste innately so that glyph will be very strong but also our imp is fully buffed by unholy power and demonic empowerment so that glyph will, i'm sure, be competitive.
the only change i see in how it plays will be using fel flame to refresh immolate (and whenever forced to move), demon soul on cooldown (macrod into nukes along with demo empowerment no doubt) and we'll have to see about soul burn.
it looks like the demon tree will get some alterations but as it stands it's probably the spec with the most options. if BoH doesn't turn out so well then it has the option of picking up better corruption and mana (life tap) from affliction or better immolate and pushback from destruction. my feeling is that points spent in affliction will be a waste so i'm hoping BoH is nice and demo goes 21 points deep in destro.
affliction will feel the most different i think. we'll (presumably) be clipping ALL DoTs and with several spells and talents causing refreshes it will take some getting used to.
edit: pretty sure doom will be effected by them both (a blue post at some point discussed it i think) but the mechanic that makes haste not reduce the time but increase the ticks will be a curious one with regards to doom. presumably haste will have to reduce the cooldown...?
Post by
chknnuggts
I don't know how late to the party I am on this, but I really like the splitting of Banes and Curses. Nice way to allow for some more utility on our part.
Post by
asakawa
yup, should have been done at the start of wrath in my opinion, when they added 'earth and moon' and 'ebon plague'.
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