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Post by
Skreeran
Varian's done more than Thrall has (in Northrend).
actually varian has done about the same as thrall has in northrend, and zero in TBC and vainilla.
on northrend both varian and thrall only show up for the violet
fiasco
Summit, and for the tournament.Yeah, but Varian got a whole 15 issues of comic about him, and then in WotLK, he actually did some stuff, which is more than I can say for Thrall. Thrall did the Battle of Undercity, like Varian, but Varian has some action in the Violet Citadel, while Thrall sits in the background and does nothing. And Varian has dialogue in the Argent Tourney, which Thrall doesn't. And Varian shows up in ICC, while Thrall doesn't.
I still love Thrall, but they really screwed his writing in WotLK.
people with magic, like Jaina, or Thrall, or Malfurion, or Rhonin, or Tirion, or Darion, or Sylvannas, or Tyrande, or Magni, or Vol'jin will allways have the upper hand against
muggles
non-magical peopleSaurfang.
That is all.
Post by
Garenzo
To return to the topic a bit...
Just noticed that Garrosh has a Blood Elf advisor and both a bunch of Blood Elves and Forsaken in his throne room. What was that part about him being racist again? :-p There's a tauren in there as well.
Post by
Adamsm
Just noticed that Garrosh has a Blood Elf advisorIt's the same ambassador currently standing beside Thrall in live.
Post by
Garenzo
Just noticed that Garrosh has a Blood Elf advisorIt's the same ambassador currently standing beside Thrall in live.
My bad then, but just the fact that he hasn't kicked them out but rather has more of the other races in there than Thrall did seems to speak against what people said about him thinking the other races are week and all that. He kicked Vol'jin out because of the argument and Vol'jin took his kin to Echo Isles, that seems to be all.
Post by
GVHB
But, from what originally said, Garrosh kicked all non-orc non-tauren NPC from the "center of Orgrimmar" including the Blood Elf ambassador. By looking at where Garrosh is located the center of Orgrimmar is the Valley of Strength. From what Garenzo said, in his throne room there are bunch of Elves and Forsaken. So he didn't kicked them out.
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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
To return to the topic a bit...
Just noticed that Garrosh has a Blood Elf advisor and both a bunch of Blood Elves and Forsaken in his throne room. What was that part about him being racist again? :-p There's a tauren in there as well.
that was one of the MANY bullsh1t spewed by MMOchamp, just because they got right a lot of stuff doesn't make 100% of what they say legit, I for one don't ever believe anything from that site unless they back it up with solid evidence such as screenshots or quests or stuff like that.
their original rumor was that Garrosh executed Cairne for treason, and then expelled all the non-orc and non-taurens from the center of orgrimmar for being too weak.
the reality however is that Garrosh was named Warchief, Cairne objected and challenged Garrosh to a non-lethal duel. During this duel, Garrosh and Cairne fight, and suddenly for no aparent reason Cairne collapses to the ground, dead. Garrosh thinking he had killed Cairne sank into a deep depression, and remained that way till Baine revealed that Cairne was severely weakened by a posion that the grimtotems have been putting in his food for quite a while, and the battle was the breaking point.
Following this revelation Garrosh enacts swift vengeance upon the grimtotems and they are hunted down.
the second rumor is also false, Garrosh doesn't expell the non-orc and non-taurens from the center of orgrimmar for being too weak, he has an argument with Vol'jin in wich both insult each other deeply, and after Vol'jin (a quite powerfull shadow-hunter) treatens to kill garrosh, he leaves Ogrimmar and resides in the now reclaimed Echo Isles.
that's it, no race is expelled, the center of org has as much Bio-diversity as it does today (more so even as now even forsakens reside in the center, and so does the paladin tainers of the blood elves
the whole "only orcs are stronger and the rest are unfit to be here" is complete bullshht, nothing more, nothing else.
not even the trolls are expelled from orgrimmar, only vol'jin leaves and he does so on his own free will becase he is displeased with garrosh, as for the trolls being located in a single district, it has been like that since vainilla,
Post by
Monday
imo Garrosh is kinda looking up to be better (note he's not a fluffy kitten or anything) than before.
He looks like he's shaping up to be an interesting character.
Post by
Blackboy0
Dear Garrosh,
Please go die in a fiery pit of doom and have your insides get eaten out by leeches as your father and Thrall look down upon you in shame and humor as you get eaten alive in a pit you cannot die in and then have Saurfang Cleave your sorry little ass into a million pieces but still don't die and feel the pain of every stupid person that has ever /facepalmed due to your stupidity and that you will burn up and become nothing more then ashes on the bottom of this terribly long and run-on paragraph that I am currently writing and am getting very irritated by the lack of periods and all the run-on sentences and ands.
Love from,
Blackboy0
PS - Go die.
PPS - I mean no disrespect, I am just voicing my opinions (Which may or may not be negative.)
Post by
Skreeran
If I recall, it wasn't an MMO-Champion rumour that Garrosh expelled all the non-orc/tauren races from the center of Orgrimmar.
According to Wowwiki
, it was on page 19 of Issue 1 of the Official Magazine.
I don't have the Official Magazine, but if anyone does, can you check this?
Post by
Blackboy0
If I recall, it wasn't an MMO-Champion rumour that Garrosh expelled all the non-orc/tauren races from the center of Orgrimmar.
According to Wowwiki
, it was on page 19 of Issue 1 of the Official Magazine.
I don't have the Official Magazine, but if anyone does, can you check this?
Yes, it was.
Post by
TheNexus
overall i get the feeling that garrosh has the ally in retreat. While in the previous expansions it seemed pretty spilt. He might have finally turned the tide against the ally. Ok lets face it, Garrosh is blind, stupid, hot-headed, and violent and power hungry, but is he a good commander? Maybe...
Post by
Skreeran
overall i get the feeling that garrosh has the ally in retreat. While in the previous expansions it seemed pretty spilt. He might have finally turned the tide against the ally. Ok lets face it, Garrosh is blind, stupid, hot-headed, and violent and power hungry, but is he a good commander? Maybe...Nah, his orders essentially consist of "Take this army, and go conquer that land." which doesn't take very much military genius to think of. Thus far, he hasn't done any military moves that impress me.
Post by
TheNexus
a good commander dosen't have to be super intelligent (it helps) A good commander can rally his people for a cause with mere words. i think garrosh can accomplish this but only if he plays his cards right.
Post by
TheNexus
but then again assume he is really stupid (not hard) So riddle me this, If he's winning the war, how intelligent does that make the alliance?
Post by
Skreeran
a good commander dosen't have to be super intelligent (it helps) A good commander can rally his people for a cause with mere words. i think garrosh can accomplish this but only if he plays his cards right.A military commander needs to be more than just inspirational.
George Washington was an excellent tactician and it won him the Revolutionary War.
General Eisenhower was an excellent strategist and he contributed a great deal to World War II.
Adolf Hitler was a very inspirational figure, and managed to rally his whole country to him, but he was a sodding stupid military commander. The only reason he got as far as he did was because he had brilliant Generals like Friedrich Paulus working under him. And look at how that ended for him.
Being inspirational helps in war, but it doesn't win battles on its own. You have to know how to win battles and fight wars, and Garrosh hasn't shown us that he can do that yet.
Post by
Rankkor
Being inspirational helps in war, but it doesn't win battles on its own. You have to know how to win battles and fight wars, and Garrosh hasn't shown us that he can do that yet
yhea, Joan of Arc was both a great inspirational woman in her army and litteraly skyrocketed the moral of her troops with her words and promises, and was at the same time a peerless tactician on the field of battle.
So was William Wallace.
being inspirational is a good start, but showing good tactics is indispensable. Thrall has been described as a tactical genius, knowing a great deal on both orcish tactics and human tactics. Garrosh haven't had any real tactical training behond what he may have picked up in nagrand.
That being said, his chief advisor is none other than Saurfang himself, THE orc of orcs as far as leading his troops goes, he was the leader of both the alliance and the horde soldiers during the Might of Kalimdor war, and he did so flawlessly. I'ts very posible that under Saurfang's tutelage Garrosh is picking up good tactics, but time will tell........ time will tell.......
Post by
wildrooster27
Garrosh is a bad ass alliance killing hero!
Post by
Skreeran
Garrosh is a bad ass alliance killing hero!"Yeah, and Nathan Bedford Forrest was a black killing hero!" Just because he kills people doesn't make him a hero.
Killing people isn't awesome, or heroic, if you had forgotten. At least, not in and of itself. There is a thin line between a warrior and a murderer.
A warrior kills when necessary, and kills deliberately and with purpose, out of necessity and only if there are no other viable alternatives.
A murderer kills for selfish reasons: for profit or because it makes him feel good.
What has the Alliance done that makes killing them so glorious? When you kill a human just because you they wear a tabard with a Lion on it, you could be depriving a wife of her husband, a child of his father, or a parent of their son. You'd better have a damn good reason for doing that.
Post by
306612
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