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Post by
Garenzo
That being said, his chief advisor is none other than Saurfang himself, THE orc of orcs as far as leading his troops goes, he was the leader of both the alliance and the horde soldiers during the Might of Kalimdor war, and he did so flawlessly. I'ts very posible that under Saurfang's tutelage Garrosh is picking up good tactics, but time will tell........ time will tell.......
He has not or else he would not have lost the Southern Barrens. If Theramore pushes further (and with the highway, they could easily take the Crossroads), Garrosh's Ashenvale troops will fight a war on two fronts, or even worse, they have a direct line to Orgrimmar, as well as a possible two pronged attack from land and sea.
Same could be said about the alliance for (more or less) losing Ashenvale though.
Post by
Skreeran
That being said, his chief advisor is none other than Saurfang himself, THE orc of orcs as far as leading his troops goes, he was the leader of both the alliance and the horde soldiers during the Might of Kalimdor war, and he did so flawlessly. I'ts very posible that under Saurfang's tutelage Garrosh is picking up good tactics, but time will tell........ time will tell.......
He has not or else he would not have lost the Southern Barrens. If Theramore pushes further (and with the highway, they could easily take the Crossroads), Garrosh's Ashenvale troops will fight a war on two fronts, or even worse, they have a direct line to Orgrimmar, as well as a possible two pronged attack from land and sea.
Same could be said about the alliance for (more or less) losing Ashenvale though.Yeah, but Ashenvale isn't as strategically important as the Barrens. If the Alliance controls the Southern Barrens, then the Tauren are separated from the Orcs, and the Alliance can funnel troops up to the Crossroads, and ultimately up to Durotar.
With the Elves losing a bit of Ashenvale, all that's happening for them is that they're getting pushed back while their allies sneak up on the Horde from behind.
And I still believe that Garrosh isn't an idiot who's doing this terrible strategy "just for the lumber" (while he may be an idiot, the lumber isn't
that
important), and that this is about honor, and the elves' continued defiance of the Horde.
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Post by
Skreeran
That being said, his chief advisor is none other than Saurfang himself, THE orc of orcs as far as leading his troops goes, he was the leader of both the alliance and the horde soldiers during the Might of Kalimdor war, and he did so flawlessly. I'ts very posible that under Saurfang's tutelage Garrosh is picking up good tactics, but time will tell........ time will tell.......
He has not or else he would not have lost the Southern Barrens. If Theramore pushes further (and with the highway, they could easily take the Crossroads), Garrosh's Ashenvale troops will fight a war on two fronts, or even worse, they have a direct line to Orgrimmar, as well as a possible two pronged attack from land and sea.
Plus, we know the Stonetalon troops have no "named" commander after the bomb is dropped, which will further infuriate the Alliance and give them another good reason to attack, though that's not Garrosh's fault.
So the Alliance advanced into the Barrens and set Camp T on fire. Does that mean they've won? Not at all. You seemed to have missed the fact that the entire zone is now a battlefield. The Horde is on the defense. That does not mean bad tactics were used.Yeah, but it's like the way Hitler figured he could fight the Allies and the Soviets at once.
Fighting on two fronts can break an army, and should not be done often. The Horde is advancing into Ashenvale and falling back in the Barrens. Problem is, the Barrens is far more important strategically. Ashenvale lumber is very valuable, yes, but not at the cost of that wonderful pipeline of Tauren warriors and having the enemy at your backdoor.
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Post by
Skreeran
Very true, but who's to say that the Night Elves weren't advancing too? Perhaps Garrosh actually HAD to prioritize? I know the Barrens is important. But being pushed completely out of Ashenvale wouldn't be much of a good strategy either.
There's also the Grimtotems to consider. Having a rather large group of traitors would make any strategist's day pretty bad. And as far as I know, there are Grimtotems in the marsh.With the Night Elves, you could say that it was foolish to charge in instead of leaving enough people to hold the line and going to secure the other border. He's not perceiving this southern attack by the Alliance for the threat that it is.
But that's an excellent point on the Grimtotems, though. I'll remember that.
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Adamsm
There's also the Grimtotems to consider. Having a rather large group of traitors would make any strategist's day pretty bad. And as far as I know, there are Grimtotems in the marsh.
Didn't we wipe them out in Vanilla?
Aye, both of those camps were wiped out by the end of the quest lines heh. Of course, there could still be random groups of them running around in the marsh who escaped the destruction(burning of the southern camp, and the raptor stampede in the north one).
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Skreeran
There's also the Grimtotems to consider. Having a rather large group of traitors would make any strategist's day pretty bad. And as far as I know, there are Grimtotems in the marsh.
Didn't we wipe them out in Vanilla?
Aye, both of those camps were wiped out by the end of the quest lines heh. Of course, there could still be random groups of them running around in the marsh who escaped the destruction(burning of the southern camp, and the raptor stampede in the north one).And I doubt the Grimtotems just sat back and took it. With as great of numbers as the Grimtotems have, I wouldn't expect them to just cry and take the loss.
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Post by
Adamsm
The elves have a right to defend ashenvale its their sacred home. Ashenvale is so important to the nelf's that i really doubt garrosh's ability to take anymore of it. He getting trapped in a hammer and anvil movment and needs to back off before he gets stomped by the incoming reinforcements. Or he pisses of the nightelves so much that they use some of their nastier tactics. Furion empowered ancients of war...../horde loss
The Night Elves get driven back to Astranaar, losing a few locations all across the area, as the Horde(well the Orcs) keep at the strip cutting of the zone.
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Garenzo
The elves have a right to defend ashenvale its their sacred home. Ashenvale is so important to the nelf's that i really doubt garrosh's ability to take anymore of it. He getting trapped in a hammer and anvil movment and needs to back off before he gets stomped by the incoming reinforcements. Or he pisses of the nightelves so much that they use some of their nastier tactics. Furion empowered ancients of war...../horde loss
The Night Elves get driven back to Astranaar, losing a few locations all across the area, as the Horde(well the Orcs) keep at the strip cutting of the zone.
Pretty sure Astranaar is on fire as well, or atleast constantly under attack.
Post by
Monday
Garrosh is a bad ass alliance killing hero!"Yeah, and Nathan Bedford Forrest was a black killing hero!" Just because he kills people doesn't make him a hero.
Killing people isn't awesome, or heroic, if you had forgotten. At least, not in and of itself. There is a thin line between a warrior and a murderer.
A warrior kills when necessary, and kills deliberately and with purpose, out of necessity and only if there are no other viable alternatives.
A murderer kills for selfish reasons: for profit or because it makes him feel good.
What has the Alliance done that makes killing them so glorious? When you kill a human just because you they wear a tabard with a Lion on it, you could be depriving a wife of her husband, a child of his father, or a parent of their son. You'd better have a damn good reason for doing that.
If there was no character limit for sig's I would use this. Alas, I cannot.
And as for the rest, Garrosh has been said as being a bad commander. Inspiration is good, but frankly the inspiration in a battle needs to come from the battlefield officers, while the tactics need to come from the higher-ups, and it looks like there is only inspiration. You'll have one Hades of a motivated army, but it will fail when tasked with a complicated campaign.
If I remember correctly Saurfang vasically told Garrosh his strategy sucked.
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Monday
Take a snippet or link to the post directly ;p
I'm adding a WH40K one now =P
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Post by
Adamsm
and join up with our rivals./sigh, How many times must this be said; the Grimtotems are not joining up with the Alliance, they are allowing them to pass through a route into the Barrens from Stonetalon mountains, that's all.
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