This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
The Garrosh Thread
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
Adamsm
but saying that she is willing to use it on her allies because aparently "it kills orcs" it's kinda silly.When you think about... in Vanilla, where would she get orc test subjects? Seeing as there were no Forsaken towns near Blackrock Mountain, or nearly any other place where she could have picked them up.... you do have to wonder how many orc wanders disappeared in Tirisfal at first. It's one thing to say she's doing it defense in of herself... except she decided to keep it completely quiet to nearly everyone, so when it was used at the Wrathgate by a coup group of her own people, it was a shock and people died because they didn't know what to do; had she at least warned her own faction, they could have possibly escaped or at least fled at the sight of the catapults. But, I don't think she does care about any living beyond how can she use and abuse them, so yeah.
Post by
Rankkor
but saying that she is willing to use it on her allies because aparently "it kills orcs" it's kinda silly.When you think about... in Vanilla, where would she get orc test subjects? Seeing as there were no Forsaken towns near Blackrock Mountain, or nearly any other place where she could have picked them up.... you do have to wonder how many orc wanders disappeared in Tirisfal at first. It's one thing to say she's doing it defense in of herself... except she decided to keep it completely quiet to nearly everyone, so when it was used at the Wrathgate by a coup group of her own people, it was a shock and people died because they didn't know what to do; had she at least warned her own faction, they could have possibly escaped or at least fled at the sight of the catapults. But, I don't think she does care about any living beyond how can she use and abuse them, so yeah.
and who says she needs a live specimen? on Howling fjord there is a forsaken quest in wich you must adapt it to kill Vrykul and all you do is take a blood sample of them.
they needed live specimens for development of the raw product, but to add the specific strains of extra races to the live product, is not allways necesary to have a full specimen to test it on.
besides, the cult of the damned has orcs, and there's plenty of them in schoolomance and eastern plagelands/naxxramas.
also is one thing to say she doesn't care about the living (in wich I agree, she doesn't show much concern about her allies as long as they are usefull) and another that she HATES the living and seeks to KILL them all.
she does hates most of the hostile living (mainly the humans of the alliance and scarlet crusade) but not her allies in the horde, she is simply indiferent about them, thats' not the same as saying she wants to kill them.
Post by
Adamsm
but not her allies in the horde, she is simply indiferent about them, thats' not the same as saying she wants to kill them.Not directly... but if it came down to using a weapon on an enemy, and not using the weapon because an 'ally' is in the way.... you'd know which one she would pick.
Post by
585087
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
306612
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Skreeran
but saying that she is willing to use it on her allies because aparently "it kills orcs" it's kinda silly.When you think about... in Vanilla, where would she get orc test subjects? Seeing as there were no Forsaken towns near Blackrock Mountain, or nearly any other place where she could have picked them up.... you do have to wonder how many orc wanders disappeared in Tirisfal at first. It's one thing to say she's doing it defense in of herself... except she decided to keep it completely quiet to nearly everyone, so when it was used at the Wrathgate by a coup group of her own people, it was a shock and people died because they didn't know what to do; had she at least warned her own faction, they could have possibly escaped or at least fled at the sight of the catapults. But, I don't think she does care about any living beyond how can she use and abuse them, so yeah.I think it's more likely that they just got the Blight to a state where it kills everything. Remember, it works on Taunka, and there's no way they could have been testing on Taunka.
Post by
Garenzo
Back to Garrosh now...
They said Kalimdor was mostly finished, right? Anything else involving the orc who swings Gorehowl faster than he thinks?
Nothing new, no. We'll get to see him go "GET OFF MY SHIIIIP!" in Twilight Highlands eventually though. :-P Also some Dragonmaw-related stuff involving him there too.
That's 84-85, correct?
So, no Garrosh involvement in Kalimdor post Stonetalon... That's good. He won't overshadow everyone by much then.
Yup, it's basically the new Icecrown. Last zone and it even has a giant Twilight Citadel surrounded by their armies. :-P
Post by
483838
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Garenzo
this got a little off topic now didnt it?
Garrosh' involvement in Cata doesn't seem too out of place to me...
Post by
143352
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Garenzo
Why does Garrosh look like an Ogre more than an Orc, as well as having some bummy armor. Also one arm looks bigger than the other. Wtf?
Here
's the pic. Hes all the way on the right.
He looks a lot like
his old man
, makes sense doesn't it?
Post by
GVHB
Why does Garrosh look like an Ogre more than an Orc, as well as having some bummy armor. Also one arm looks bigger than the other. Wtf?
Here
's the pic. Hes all the way on the right.
He looks a lot like
his old man
, makes sense doesn't it?
Grom also seems to have an arm bigger than the other. I would say it is a genetic thing, or it isn't?
Post by
Adamsm
It's the colouring of the picture... and you try wielding something like the Gorehowl heh; 7 feet of metal and a wood like steel, you'd probably have different sized arms too.
Post by
306612
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
109094
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hydralisk
as a fan of the new Garrosh character, I am not a fan of the new model :(
Post by
rob1n3tt
Is Garrosh seriously wearing Mannoroth's skull as shoulders? Or is that just a failed Northrend Buffalo, as i like to call them. Anyway if he does he is even dumber than he looks, because damn, that demon corrupted his enite people, and now he wants to wear his skull around?
Post by
Garenzo
Is Garrosh seriously wearing Mannoroth's skull as shoulders? Or is that just a failed Northrend Buffalo, as i like to call them. Anyway if he does he is even dumber than he looks, because damn, that demon corrupted his enite people, and now he wants to wear his skull around?
Mannoroth's skull and armor has been around in Orgrimmar since... forever. :-P If he was to wear it as a piece of his armor that'd probably be since his father sacrificed himself to kill Mannoroth.
He isn't though, but the skull is part of his throne in Orgrimmar IIRC.
Post by
Leaflow
I've tackled Garrosh before in an attempt to write his character, and I can say that I sympathize with his motives and goals, if not his means.
He really does love his people and he wants what's best for them. The Horde is living in a desert at the moment, without any nearby source of lumber (at least until Cataclysm), while the Night Elves are sitting up there in prosperity and refusing to share the trees that the Horde needs for shelter and warmth. At least, that's how Garrosh sees it. What he wants is prosperity and happiness for his people. I share his sentiments here.
Garrosh's solution to this, however, is something I do not agree with. Garrosh's solution to his people not having enough resources to meet their needs is to simply take the resources from the people who refused to share them. If the Night Elves won't give up their trees willingly, the orcs will take them, and they will take more than just the trees for the Elves arrogance. To Garrosh, it's not just that the elves are refusing resources from people who need them, but they are in fact challenging the Horde and insulting them. By openly fighting to prevent the harvesting of lumber, the Night Elves are saying that they can defeat the Horde, and use force to keep the orcs from taking something that they need. To Garrosh, the Night Elves underestimate the Horde: they think that the Horde is too weak to take what it needs. And because the Elves are insulting the Horde in this way, he wants to take more than just lumber from them. They don't deserve the utopian natural wealth that they have. He wants to take Kalimdor from them, and to give it to his people, who deserve it because of their strength and the fact that they have weathered through famine and desert heat and cold nights. In his mind, the way things are is all wrong... the strong, proud, noble orcs are living in a harsh, sparse desert, while the spoiled, stingy elves are living it up in a massive forest with more lumber and game than they know what to do with. So he intends to fix the situation.
As I said, Garrosh has good motivations. He just wants what is best for his people. I can sympathize with that. I do not, however, support his methods.
To elaborate on your example, Ashenvale, I believe trying to reason with the elves would be fruitless. Orcs and Elves have diametrically opposed ways of living and, as such, coming to an agreement on common grounds would be impossible.
Night elves revere the nature around them and take only what they need, be it on the hunt or otherwise. They are one with the elements surrounding them and cause little to no damage to them. Orcs, however, are far more... industrial. Stockpiles are made and very little detail is paid to symbiosis with the environment, if any at all. Orcs don't just take what they need, they make reserves, both on food and on wood. Natural balance be damned, they couldn't care less about the consequences of their reckless hoarding.
Where differences of opinions diverge, compromise is sometimes possible, but we're talking about entirely different ways of life here. Add to that the secluded and somewhat closed mindset of the long-reclusive elves and the impulsive, warmongering nature of the orcs... conflict was inevitable.
I suppose in a sense, we as humans are much closer to orcs than we are to elves. We don't contribute nearly as much to the world as we take from it. As a result, we're slowly burning away the resources of our planet. There will come a time where there will be nothing left but waste that we cannot use, and we will be forced to find another home.
Much like Garrosh and his Horde, who have taken everything they could from Durotar and the Barrens, we too will someday seek greener pastures, our own planetary Ashenvale ripe for the picking. Wether or not we'll have to deal with metaphoric "Night Elves" though... that remains to be seen.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
To elaborate on your example, Ashenvale, I believe trying to reason with the elves would be fruitless. Orcs and Elves have diametrically opposed ways of living and, as such, coming to an agreement on common grounds would be impossible.
Night elves revere the nature around them and take only what they need, be it on the hunt or otherwise. They are one with the elements surrounding them and cause little to no damage to them. Orcs, however, are far more... industrial. Stockpiles are made and very little detail is paid to symbiosis with the environment, if any at all. Orcs don't just take what they need, they make reserves, both on food and on wood. Natural balance be damned, they couldn't care less about the consequences of their reckless hoarding.
Where differences of opinions diverge, compromise is sometimes possible, but we're talking about entirely different ways of life here. Add to that the secluded and somewhat closed mindset of the long-reclusive elves and the impulsive, warmongering nature of the orcs... conflict was inevitable.
I suppose in a sense, we as humans are much closer to orcs than we are to elves. We don't contribute nearly as much to the world as we take from it. As a result, we're slowly burning away the resources of our planet. There will come a time where there will be nothing left but waste that we cannot use, and we will be forced to find another home.
Much like Garrosh and his Horde, who have taken everything they could from Durotar and the Barrens, we too will someday seek greener pastures, our own planetary Ashenvale ripe for the picking. Wether or not we'll have to deal with metaphoric "Night Elves" though... that remains to be seen.Have you read
Rise of the Horde
? If not, I strongly recommend it. Orcs aren't quite that "cut-and-dried."
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.