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Monday
the point remains, back on vanilla, the night elves had as much potential to join with the horde as they did with the alliance.
Eh... I still think Grom's killing of Cenarius tipped the scales way in the Alliance favor. (Note: I am rusted on W3 lore.)
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Rankkor
meh, I still don't like forsakens, back when they were designing wich races to go to wich faction, I wish they would had added ANY race to the horde exept the forsakens, I mean the blood elves did some nasty stuff too (mu'ru rings a bell) but at least they showed progression, regret, improvement, as the quest for quel'delar shows, they've even began to lower their hostility to their high-elven cousins (and considering how stubborn elves are with grudges, that's saying something)
however, in well over 5 years, I can't number a single thing that the forsaken race as a whole has done to honor the name of the horde, save to embarrass us as a faction. If it wasn't for them, about 50% of the stuff alliance players acuse the horde of wound't exist.
anyways, sorry for the offtopic this thread is to
rant
discuss about garrosh, not the forsaken, I was just trowing it up there that more than once i've wished they hadn't joined the horde at all.
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taurenmoo812
anyways, sorry for the offtopic this thread is to rant discuss about garrosh, not the forsaken, I was just trowing it up there that more than once i've wished they hadn't joined the horde at all.
You know the funny thing is, I've been feeling this myself lately. Seeing what the hordes becoming in cata. Before, the actions of the forsaken I was able to dismiss, because overall, the horde had honor, it was a redeemed faction and even the forsaken weren't able to crash that.
But, now the orcs have fallen back on themselves again, the main body of what made the horde what it was, and its kind of heartbreaking to see it happen again.
But then, thinking on it, why else would it feel that way, unless I honestly did care about the horde and what it meant, what Thrall made it, and seeing it change, missing that feeling of being part of something that meant something to me.
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Adamsm
Yes, because the Horde is only orcs; never mind the Tauren, the Trolls and the Goblins.
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taurenmoo812
Yes, because the Horde is only orcs; never mind the Tauren, the Trolls and the Goblins.
And the alliance is only human right? Because it seems anything Varian says has to be right about all the alliance too?
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Adamsm
Yes, because the Horde is only orcs; never mind the Tauren, the Trolls and the Goblins.
And the alliance is only human right? Because it seems anything Varian says has to be right about all the alliance too?
Of course not; Varian only speaks for the Stormwind humans. But the way you keep going on and on, your focused solely on the orcs, as if the other races have no say in anything; you won't see War parties of Trolls and Taurens joining up with this Hell Horde you see on the horizon.
Look, if your going to make snide comments, and try to pretend to be smart, at least make 'good' insults.
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taurenmoo812
'Varian only speaks for the stormwind humans!' right, so him being leader of the war against the scourge only applied to the humans in northrend?
The orcs represent the main majority of the horde the same as the humans represent the main body of the alliance, as its been since warcradt 1 and 2. The other races are called allies for a reason. And even if they make up to expand the body of each faction, the reason why the horde and alliance simply are comes off of those two races.
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Monday
'Varian only speaks for the stormwind humans!' right, so him being leader of the war against the scourge only applied to the humans in northrend?
No, they called Varian to lead the war in Northrend because Magni, the other main leader of the Alliance was more focused on discovering Titan ruins, and the Night Elves were caught up in other stuff.
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Adamsm
'Varian only speaks for the stormwind humans!' right, so him being leader of the war against the scourge only applied to the humans in northrend?....Da hell are you talking about? I mean really? Yes, the overall leader of the Alliance army was Varian; but Vereesa led her Silver Covenant forces, Brann was the leader of the Explorer's League, Muradin was the leader of the Frostborn, and Bolvar, till his death, lead the Valiance Expedition. But Varian, as he learned in the Shattering, can not march into another Alliance capitol and declare martial law or just take over; if he does, he'd end up under attack from his own allies. Again: ALLIANCE, not Varian's own private group.
Seriously, again, if your going to make snide comments and insults, at least make some sense, and try to tone down your insentient trolling.
The orcs represent the main majority of the horde the same as the humans represent the main body of the alliance, as its been since warcradt 1 and 2. The other races are called allies for a reason. And even if they make up to expand the body of each faction, the reason why the horde and alliance simply are comes off of those two races.What game are you playing? I mean really.....hm, how many human cities are there on Kalimdor? Oh right... One. Sorry, but to me, if your really looking at it, on Kalimdor you see two races; Night Elves and Dwarves and soon to be Worgen for the Alliance, while Eastern is Humans, Gnomes, and more Dwarves.
And no Tauren, it's not the 'main' body; it was for 1(as that was solely the Horde vs Stormwind) but not 2, as that's when the Grand Alliance rose up; Humans, High Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes. I swear, your arguments just get weaker and weaker every day, makes me laugh to see you flail and troll.
Edit: Of course, what I find the most amusing, is the fact that without Varian, the only orcs on Azeroth would be Thrall, the Frostwolves, the Warsong, and the Blackrocks; after all, in the votes for after the Second War, when it was deciding about what to do with the orcs, either keep them in the camps or completely kill them down to the last child, it was a 2 to 4 vote; Gilneas and Stromguarde for killing them, with Dalaran, Azeroth(Stormwind), Kul Tiras and Lordaeron against it and creating the camps instead, with Alterac abstaining...as they had no real leader. Proudmoore only voted with Terenas after the Archmage and Varian had already voted yes to the camps.
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Adamsm
with Alterac abstaining...as they had no real leader.
Wasn't Alterac completely dismantled and in shambles at that point, due to betrayal by the Orcs and them getting their comeuppance by the Alliance? I wouldn't call that "no real leader", I'd call that justice.
Well yeah, but technically Trollbane was the leader looking after it heh.
This reminds me when we had to convince darkton that Varian wasn't the King of the Alliance.
Heh, indeed....of course, it's Tauren now making the comments, so....
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Adamsm
Also I'm pretty sure Blackmoore wouldn't have tried his stupid plan if all the Orcs were to be executed, so you can cross Thrall off that list.
That is true as well.
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Rankkor
This reminds me when we had to convince darkton that Varian wasn't the King of the Alliance.
ohh please don't summon him back :S
with Alterac abstaining...as they had no real leader.
Wasn't Alterac completely dismantled and in shambles at that point, due to betrayal by the Orcs and them getting their comeuppance by the Alliance? I wouldn't call that "no real leader", I'd call that justice.
Well yeah, but technically Trollbane was the leader looking after it heh.
Actually, I think only part of Alterac was integrated to Stromgarde. Stranbradh and such remained in the hands of Lordaeron.
wasn't the point of Day of the Dragon to decide who would rule alterac as king? by the end of the book nobody reached a concensus, thus I tought alterac was a kingless region.
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