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Post by
Rankkor
This I am actually kinda happy for. It gives my character an excuse to kill them. I never did, do or will like Forsaken.
well I don't like them either (I can simpatize with some of them, but overall several of them are just plain jerks) but take in consideration they are on MY faction, and as such anything bad they do, reflects badly on the rest of us :S
is like having a black sheep on the family.
now there's 2 solutions to this:
A: add a black sheep to the alliance, so stuff is balanced (worgens have the potential to be that black sheep, and yet their starting zone paints them as martyrs and champions of justice :S)
B: fix the black sheep, so that it stops doing so many screw ups.
with the death of the lich king, all the jerk-ass attitude of the forsakens could had truly disapeared, and the race could had gone trough a process similar to what the blood-elves underwent when they cleansed the sunwell and started sating their magical hunger with the power of the light.
instead of taking that route, blizzard decided to make them just worst :S and while I wound't mind if they weren't related to me, the fact is that they are a part of my faction, and their crap is our crap as well.......
see my dillema?
Post by
Monday
see my dillema?
Yes. I'm kinda hoping for some evil Worgen, but what I want even more are evil Night Elves. The "dark emo looking race is evil" thing has been done (worgen, Scourge, Forsaken) What I would like would be the high and mighty "we're better than you" Night Elves to get some evil stuff (though they did in Stormrage).
Or perhaps some evil dwarves. It would make for some interesting stuff, and it looks like we might be heading that way with a Dark Iron incursion and Moira joining Ironforge.
Post by
GVHB
see my dillema?
Yes. I'm kinda hoping for some evil Worgen, but what I want even more are evil Night Elves. The "dark emo looking race is evil" thing has been done (worgen, Scourge, Forsaken) What I would like would be the high and mighty "we're better than you" Night Elves to get some evil stuff (though they did in Stormrage).
Or perhaps some evil dwarves. It would make for some interesting stuff, and it looks like we might be heading that way with a Dark Iron incursion and Moira joining Ironforge.
Judging by the Dark Iron Dwarves attacking the Ironforge Airfield seems that there is going to be some inner struggle in the newly rejoined Dwarf clans.
Post by
Monday
see my dillema?
Yes. I'm kinda hoping for some evil Worgen, but what I want even more are evil Night Elves. The "dark emo looking race is evil" thing has been done (worgen, Scourge, Forsaken) What I would like would be the high and mighty "we're better than you" Night Elves to get some evil stuff (though they did in Stormrage).
Or perhaps some evil dwarves. It would make for some interesting stuff, and it looks like we might be heading that way with a Dark Iron incursion and Moira joining Ironforge.
Judging by the Dark Iron Dwarves attacking the Ironforge Airfield seems that there is going to be some inner struggle in the newly rejoined Dwarf clans.
Aye, seen that screenshot. Will make for some interesting quests for sure.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Then stop saying it.No. It's a perfectly legitimate complaint.
You have said it to me countless times, you slip it into many conversations and demean other races because draenei didn't get a new class.I don't recall
ever
saying anything specifically to
you
about it. Or "demeaning other races" because of it. I'm not impressed with worgen, but that's a separate complaint.
I'm sorry for the caps/bold, but it is really bothering me that you continue to say "draenei didn't get a new race", and pretty much hijack my post dealing with my time in L&RP and change it to "dwarf get new classes and draenei didn't get any".Well, pardon me for misinterpreting
what
the hell you were talking about. You were still out of line.
I honestly don't care if I'm being rude, the complaints is just getting
really
annoying.Well. If you don't care if you're being rude, I suppose I should just sink to your level and start flaming right back.
But I won't. I'll just say that with
that
attitude, you've got no business accusing
anyone
of being annoying.
as for the main topic here (bone-head garrosh) I still don't like him.I don't think anyone likes him, except possibly the most PvP-crazed of the Horde faction fanboys.
maybe that will change by the end of the expantion, but rite naw, I don't like him, and even if at some point in the future I somehow like him more, I still want thrall as the warchief.Indeed. Thrall doesn't diss the trolls.
I also disaprove A LOT the changes being made to the orcs in cataclysm, from the facist streak in ogrimmar, to the whole "dark horde" architecture being re-used now, to the forsaken transforming into Scourge 2.0Yeah, I'd rather have seen something like the Mag'har buildings in Outland, only on a grander scale.
As for the Forsaken...not even going to go there. They bug me, and always have.
I actually used to believe that blizzard didn't wanted to make either faction the "evil" one and "good" one, but rather keep both in shades of gray.
but the more info revealed about cataclysm, the more the horde gets tons of black, and the more the alliance gets tons f white.
I don't like it :S but meh, it's still early, I'm hoping for the tons of black in the alliance to show up, and the tons of white in the horde to show up.
if they do, then blizz really is balanced with their factions, if they don't then it's clear they no longer wanna have 2 gray factions and wanna de-evolve wow into a LOTR rip-off.Hear, hear.
well I don't like them either (I can simpatize with some of them, but overall several of them are just plain jerks) but take in consideration they are on MY faction, and as such anything bad they do, reflects badly on the rest of us :SIt used to be that the Horde had the most morally dubious race on their side, but also had the purest. BC, much as I liked it, imbalanced that. As tauren are still one of the two purest races, I'd still like to know what they (apart from the Grimtotems, that is) think of the Forsaken. (My guess is that it's not too favorable.)
is like having a black sheep on the family.
now there's 2 solutions to this:
A: add a black sheep to the alliance, so stuff is balanced (worgens have the potential to be that black sheep, and yet their starting zone paints them as martyrs and champions of justice :S)
B: fix the black sheep, so that it stops doing so many screw ups.Either way works.
In fact, I believe there were implications early on that the worgen
were
going to be the "black sheep." But I suspect that Blizzard wussed out.
with the death of the lich king, all the jerk-ass attitude of the forsakens could had truly disapeared, and the race could had gone trough a process similar to what the blood-elves underwent when they cleansed the sunwell and started sating their magical hunger with the power of the light.
instead of taking that route, blizzard decided to make them just worst :S and while I wound't mind if they weren't related to me, the fact is that they are a part of my faction, and their crap is our crap as well.......
see my dillema?And then, there's the issue of Thrall leaving Garrosh—who's shown no indication of being competent, or, in fact, anything but loud and obstreperous—in charge of the Horde for heaven-knows-what reason. Which really doesn't help.
Post by
Monday
No. It's a perfectly legitimate complaint.
Let me rephrase, "Stop saying it to me, I've heard it enough".
Want to know why I don't care if I'm rude? Simple, because it seems like you don't care either.
You defend your misunderstanding, which is perfectly understandable, while at the same time dissing me and saying I am an incoherent jerk.
I suppose I should just sink to your level and start flaming right back.
Have I flamed? I don't recall saying anything to you personally besides stop saying one phrase to me. Read my whole post, never a flame. While kinda rude, it never ventured into flame territory.
I suppose you could take the "Stop QQ'ing to me" as a flame. So be it.
But I won't. I'll just say that with that attitude, you've got no business accusing anyone of being annoying.
I'm going to be a mean person again and say you have no right either. Your only response to my question (the misunderstood response) could be taken as rude, and then you claim I am the only one being rude? You often border on the "condescending jerk" type of rudeness. Take a look at yourself and your arguments with others before you respond.
Well, pardon me for misinterpreting what the hell you were talking about. You were still out of line.
Read this for a moment and tell me you aren't rude or out of line.
I don't mind you, Lolotea, and I respect your opinions, but right now... not really.
Post by
Adamsm
And then, there's the issue of Thrall leaving Garrosh—who's shown no indication of being competent, or, in fact, anything but loud and obstreperous—in charge of the Horde for heaven-knows-what reason. Which really doesn't help.Because Thrall is hoping he'll shape up like his father did? And seeing as apparently, even with several dozen powerful shamans out, only Thrall can hold the 'world pillar' below the Maelstrom steady, till said powerful Shamans can fix the damage Deathwing did as he rose out of the Elemental Earth plane.... and if Nobundo isn't there, I'm going Blizzard employee hunting....
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Let me rephrase, "Stop saying it to me, I've heard it enough". This is a public forum. Nothing is specifically aimed at you. And no one is
making
you read my posts.
Want to know why I don't care if I'm rude? Simple, because it seems like you don't care either.
You defend your misunderstanding, which is perfectly understandable, while at the same time dissing me and saying I am an incoherent jerk.Hey...you accused me of "QQing," got all hurt and nasty because I voiced a perfectly legitimate complaint, and acted like said complaint was specifically aimed at you and strictly for the purpose of bugging you. If the shoe fits...
I suppose you could take the "Stop QQ'ing to me" as a flame. So be it. Accusing someone of "QQing" is a flame by definition. You're calling them a crybaby. And no one was
making
you respond at all.
I'm going to be a mean person again and say you have no right either. Your only response to me could be taken as rude, and then you claim I am the only one being rude? You often border on the "condescending jerk" type of rudeness. Take a look at yourself and your arguments with others before you respond.
I'm
the condescending jerk, when
you're
the one who accused me of "QQing" and acted like my complaint was specifically tailored to annoy you? Sure, whatever.
Read this for a moment and tell me you aren't rude or out of line.
I don't mind you, Lolotea, and I respect your opinions, but right now... not really.Hey—I was perfectly polite until
you
threw a tantrum.
Because Thrall is hoping he'll shape up like his father did?Unless it's a deliberately calculated "make or break," leaving him as the
de facto
leader of the Horde was a wrongheaded way to do it. Hell, it's wrongheaded even if it
is
"make or break."
And seeing as apparently, even with several dozen powerful shamans out, only Thrall can hold the 'world pillar' below the Maelstrom steady, till said powerful Shamans can fix the damage Deathwing did as he rose out of the Elemental Earth plane.... and if Nobundo isn't there, I'm going Blizzard employee hunting....Can't argue with you there. Hell, I'll
help
.
Post by
Monday
Hey—I was perfectly polite until you threw a tantrum.
I will now invoke the cliched phrase: "You started it".
This is a public forum. Nothing is specifically aimed at you. And no one is making you read my posts.
Don't even pretend. You quoted my post (well, GVHB was in there as well), made a response tailored to my post, and then claim it wasn't directed at me?
And no one is making you read my posts.
1. How did I know your first post would be a complaint?
2. And what if I stop reading them? You will assume you have won and that I realize the "error of my ways" and act even more condescending from now on. I've seen it happen many times, and I won't let it happen to me again.
And you deliberately responded in a trollish manner.
And to seek understanding, I did not mean it to be trollish. I made the post in legitimate anger, but I hate trolls (the forum kind).
Post by
GVHB
I think what Lolotea said was aimed to me. As you asked "No Dwarf love?" and I said nope (as a joke nothing else).
Post by
Monday
I think what Lolotea said was aimed to me. As you asked "No Dwarf love?" and I said nope (as a joke nothing else).
Perhaps it was. In that case, I apologize Lolotea.
Post by
Adamsm
Unless it's a deliberately calculated "make or break," leaving him as the de facto leader of the Horde was a wrongheaded way to do it. Hell, it's wrongheaded even if it is "make or break."That's what I'm seeing it as; Saurfang is off being busy elsewhere, Cairne is dealing with things in Thunder Bluff, Vol'jin and his people are resettling the islands, Sylvanas... well... yeah, and Lor'themar does nothing; Garrosh was pretty much it heh; and Thrall set it up to see if the son of Grom can handle being a true leader or not; if he fails, Thrall returns and Garrosh is sent off to Outland or something. He succeeds, Thrall returns, takes the reins back(as again, Garrosh is only the temporary Warchief), and Garrosh takes a place as an adviser, hopefully wiser and more prepared to actually help with the Horde.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I will now invoke the cliched phrase: "You started it". So...
I'm
the one who accused
you
of "QQing" now? Gimme a freakin'
break
.
Don't even pretend. You quoted my post (well, GVHB was in there as well), made a response tailored to my post, and then claim it wasn't directed at me?The post in question was "no dwarf love" from GVHB, and "nope" from you. When taken out of context (and there was no context) it's easy to misconstrue that as being about what dwarves are getting in Cataclysm.
You will assume you have won and that I realize the "error of my ways" and act even more condescending from now on. "Condescending?" No. I'm opinionated, sardonic, and have a large vocabulary, but I'm perfectly polite and respectful unless I'm given a damned good reason
not
to be.
That's what I'm seeing it as; Saurfang is off being busy elsewhere, Cairne is dealing with things in Thunder Bluff, Vol'jin and his people are resettling the islands, Sylvanas... well... yeah, and Lor'themar does nothing; Garrosh was pretty much it heh; and Thrall set it up to see if the son of Grom can handle being a true leader or not; if he fails, Thrall returns and Garrosh is sent off to Outland or something. He succeeds, Thrall returns, takes the reins back(as again, Garrosh is only the temporary Warchief), and Garrosh takes a place as an adviser, hopefully wiser and more prepared to actually help with the Horde.I get the feeling it's going to be a "break," and I get the feeling Garrosh won't survive to the end of the expansion pack. I also half suspect he's going to severely destabilize the Horde.
Post by
Adamsm
That's what I'm seeing it as; Saurfang is off being busy elsewhere, Cairne is dealing with things in Thunder Bluff, Vol'jin and his people are resettling the islands, Sylvanas... well... yeah, and Lor'themar does nothing; Garrosh was pretty much it heh; and Thrall set it up to see if the son of Grom can handle being a true leader or not; if he fails, Thrall returns and Garrosh is sent off to Outland or something. He succeeds, Thrall returns, takes the reins back(as again, Garrosh is only the temporary Warchief), and Garrosh takes a place as an adviser, hopefully wiser and more prepared to actually help with the Horde.I get the feeling it's going to be a "break," and I get the feeling Garrosh won't survive to the end of the expansion pack. I also half suspect he's going to severely destabilize the Horde.
I really hope not... I had enough of the redemption through death crap all through Lich King; let's hope Blizzard can for do this right and make Garrosh not have to die to show he was truly loyal to the Horde. And the group that's going to destabilize the Horde is Sylvanas and her psycho forsaken, and the Crone and her Grimtotem lackeys; they'll be the ones screwing over most of it.
Post by
Monday
The post in question was "no dwarf love" from GVHB, and "nope" from you. When taken out of context (and there was no context) it's easy to misconstrue that as being about what dwarves are getting in Cataclysm.
Actually it was the other way around =) And take a look at my post before yours.
I think what Lolotea said was aimed to me. As you asked "No Dwarf love?" and I said nope (as a joke nothing else).
Perhaps it was. In that case, I apologize Lolotea.
So...I'm the one who accused you of "QQing" now? Gimme a freakin' break.
And no, I was accusing you of throwing the tantrum.
But seriously, let's put this behind us, mkay?
Post by
GVHB
Don't even pretend. You quoted my post (well, GVHB was in there as well), made a response tailored to my post, and then claim it wasn't directed at me?The post in question was "no dwarf love" from GVHB, and "nope" from you. When taken out of context (and there was no context) it's easy to misconstrue that as being about what dwarves are getting in Cataclysm.
The other way around Lolotea, Funden said "No dwarf love" and I said "nope".
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Perhaps it was. In that case, I apologize Lolotea.Accepted (although you posted that while I was typing two different things at once).
I really hope not... I had enough of the redemption through death crap all through Lich King; let's hope Blizzard can for do this right and make Garrosh not have to die to show he was truly loyal to the Horde. And the group that's going to destabilize the Horde is Sylvanas and her psycho forsaken, and the Crone and her Grimtotem lackeys; they'll be the ones screwing over most of it.Well...Blizzard
does
tend to take perfectly good tropes and run them into the ground. And in the case of the Forsaken, Garrosh isn't
helping
much.
The other way around Lolotea, Funden said "No dwarf love" and I said "nope".Ah, okay. My mistake.
Post by
Monday
Accepted.
Thanks =)
And now back on topic:
and the Crone and her Grimtotem lackeys
IMO those could just be hooked up with all the other threats to the Horde from outside, as they aren't really Horde anymore once they agreed to work with the Alliance against the Horde. Once that happened, they became almost like the Kurenai (unfriendly, but now friendly with Alliance only).
Post by
FarseerLolotea
IMO those could just be hooked up with all the other threats to the Horde from outside, as they aren't really Horde anymore once they agreed to work with the Alliance against the Horde. Once that happened, they became almost like the Kurenai (unfriendly, but now friendly with Alliance only).If they're willing to stab their own kind in the back (i.e. Cairne), why should the Alliance trust them any more than the Horde does? The Grimtotem are finks.
Post by
Adamsm
I really hope not... I had enough of the redemption through death crap all through Lich King; let's hope Blizzard can for do this right and make Garrosh not have to die to show he was truly loyal to the Horde. And the group that's going to destabilize the Horde is Sylvanas and her psycho forsaken, and the Crone and her Grimtotem lackeys; they'll be the ones screwing over most of it.Well...Blizzard
does
tend to take perfectly good tropes and run them into the ground. And in the case of the Forsaken, Garrosh isn't
helping
much.Considering what he's up against... he's doing fine; I'm just waiting for him to take her head like he broke the neck then tossed the commander who bombed the village in Stonetalon off a cliff. If it comes down simply to 'Garrosh is good' 'Sylvanas is evil' the expansion works for me heh; and I know you'll add in the 'But Garrosh insulted the female wolves in Durotar' segue here... I don't see it like that; it's about time someone called her on her actions.
and the Crone and her Grimtotem lackeys
IMO those could just be hooked up with all the other threats to the Horde from outside, as they aren't really Horde anymore once they agreed to work with the Alliance against the Horde. Once that happened, they became almost like the Kurenai (unfriendly, but now friendly with Alliance only).
Magtha is how the poison was getting to Cairne, so there's your major destabilizing point, the death of the current leader; and the Grimtotems are nothing like the Kurenai: we're doing one quest chain to convince them the enemy of my enemy is my friend and that's it; your not going to see the black furred tauren anywhere else in Alliance lands.
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