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Post by
andrewgoat
I've been leveling my Shaman for awhile now so I haven't ran many heroics lately on my 80 Mage. Last night, however, I decided to help my 2 friends out by doing some with them.
We did about 3-4 heroics, and every single heroic had a fail tank. Every one of them. And most of them had 5.5k+ GS. And couldnt hold aggro, didnt know how to pull, wouldn't be mindful of the group when continuing on, etc.
Is it just my server, my luck, or whatever? Or are the people who play Tank classes really that huge of a failure? I mean, from what I've heard, this has been going on for awhile, and I just now saw it for myself.
I don't get it. It's not that hard to aoe tank. Really isn't.
Thoughts?
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580100
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Post by
Drefanator
It's luck. Or bad luck at least. However that doesn't mean there hasn't been a trend in tanks sucking more so lately. This is probably because that the good tanks aren't running the heroics anymore, because there is no point.
Also, I'm sure that people have just out right been taking more time out enjoying other things waiting for cataclysm to come out.
Post by
123465
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Post by
Tya1
Well...I actually ran a group a little while ago where somebody (think it was the healer) asked the tank (ICC geared) if he could turn the mobs away from the group. (Granted, the way he asked it, could have been nicer, but still...valid remark.)
"I don't do that for heroics. Just stay out of the way."
There is such a big group of ppl currently, SO overgeared for the heroics, for who that 15 minute trip to get the saronite is such a laugh (and that matters mostly for the tanks) that they are sort of forgetting to play 'nice'. Why would they actually try and tank the place, if they more or less can dps their way through it?
(Same applies to DPS (and some healers) though. Get a DPS in the group that is way over the rest of the dps, or the tank, and they suddenly seem to think that it means they should make sure that it's finished fast enough. Healers pulling mobs towards the tank that is already tanking some. That kind of work.)
It's a sort of heroic tiredness I guess. Problem is that it will only get worse as you can assume a lot of ppl will use the LFD tool to level to 85. Just pray that a lot of those dps-gone-tanks-for-the-queue will pick up during that time and learn to tank a little more comfortably. ^^
Post by
Kelborn
I'm not saying that all tanks are great but they are trying and if a group finds that a tank can not hold aggro then it's the groups responsibility to slow down the DPS and make sure that everyone stays alive.
QFT
Every player should download Omen and use it. Yeah it's the tank's job to hold aggro, but if he can't hold aggro from the 6300 GS (I'm assuming that's what people are up to now, or something) then maybe you should chill the *!@# out on your
own
threat. A tank is bulit to stay alive when he's getting hit, not to struggle to out TPS a DPS in much higher gear than him.
Most people just need to realize that if they attack thing before the tank, they're gonna get hit. If they don't watch their own aggro, they're gonna get hit. And if they get hit enough, they're gonna die.
Even on my tank at 5.6k GS there's a few Retardins and Arms Warriors that just burst one target and exptect me to have 100% aggro while they're blowing cooldowns.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I'm not saying that all tanks are great but they are trying and if a group finds that a tank can not hold aggro then it's the groups responsibility to slow down the DPS and make sure that everyone stays alive.
QFT
Every player should download Omen and use it. Yeah it's the tank's job to hold aggro, but if he can't hold aggro from the 6300 GS (I'm assuming that's what people are up to now, or something) then maybe you should chill the *!@# out on your
own
threat. A tank is bulit to stay alive when he's getting hit, not to struggle to out TPS a DPS in much higher gear than him.
Most people just need to realize that if they attack thing before the tank, they're gonna get hit. If they don't watch their own aggro, they're gonna get hit. And if they get hit enough, they're gonna die.
Even on my tank at 5.6k GS there's a few Retardins and Arms Warriors that just burst one target and exptect me to have 100% aggro while they're blowing cooldowns.
Agreed, but there's another side to the coin. Not only can I do 8k dps on pulls, but I can also kite and take plenty of hits. I don't care if I pull off the tank, 99% of the time the mob is dead before it can get a second hit off on me. So if the tank doesn't want me complaining about him not being able to hold aggro, he shouldn't be complaining that I am pulling off him.
Post by
Kelborn
Agreed, but there's another side to the coin. Not only can I do 8k dps on pulls, but I can also kite and take plenty of hits. I don't care if I pull off the tank, 99% of the time the mob is dead before it can get a second hit off on me. So if the tank doesn't want me complaining about him not being able to hold aggro, he shouldn't be complaining that I am pulling off him.
But then again, people who are good kiters and don't care that they take some hits wouldn't be posting on forums complaining about bad tanks who can't hold aggro. ;)
Post by
Murrdurr
Thank you for telling us about your fail heroic tanks, there are plenty of them. Move along please.
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528207
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Post by
Kibbles
wrong forum
QQ
bad topic
incorrect
anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
Post by
Frames
If tanks suck so bad, make a tank to run your own heroics and stop complaining.
Pointless thread is pointless.
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24996
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Post by
HoleofArt
If you were good enough pulling aggro wouldn't be a problem. ;)
The only truly bad tank is a tank who ignorantly lets the healer get wailed on, and possibly die. That's when the leave group button does wonders.
Post by
292516
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Post by
Arranger
If tanks suck so bad, make a tank to run your own heroics and stop complaining.
Pointless thread is pointless.
You felt to post here so I think that you also are useless.
Post by
Arranger
wrong forum
QQ
bad topic
incorrect
anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
So why are you posting here? You also are qq qq qq, retard.
Post by
Arranger
I'm not saying that all tanks are great but they are trying and if a group finds that a tank can not hold aggro then it's the groups responsibility to slow down the DPS and make sure that everyone stays alive.
QFT
Every player should download Omen and use it. Yeah it's the tank's job to hold aggro, but if he can't hold aggro from the 6300 GS (I'm assuming that's what people are up to now, or something) then maybe you should chill the *!@# out on your
own
threat. A tank is bulit to stay alive when he's getting hit, not to struggle to out TPS a DPS in much higher gear than him.
Most people just need to realize that if they attack thing before the tank, they're gonna get hit. If they don't watch their own aggro, they're gonna get hit. And if they get hit enough, they're gonna die.
Even on my tank at 5.6k GS there's a few Retardins and Arms Warriors that just burst one target and exptect me to have 100% aggro while they're blowing cooldowns.
You're calling paladins retardins. Racism also in a game. Stupid useless retard.
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