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What's with all the America hate?
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Post by
MyTie
The United States ability to likely not be able to compete with China does not have to do with "liberals."On the contrary, the liberal actions of the government, namely in business regulation and taxes has caused many businesses to outsource. This outsourcing has had a crippleing effect on the US economy. Since China is a competitor and, now, our debtor, the effects of liberalism have a direct relation to China's ability to compete.The truth is the majority of Americans are too cheap to purchase American made items and/or except a lower standard of living to remain competitive.Sentences that start with "The truth" rarely contain it. For some reason, the author feels the need to preface the thought with the idea that their view is not only correct, but other views are not, as if their view is THE truth. But enough of that, let's examine the heart of your claim:
Americans are not 'too cheap' to buy american. That notion is preposterous. All other factors equal, Americans are likely to purchase the product with the lowest price tag. This is the same for EVERY culture on earth (at least, every one I've ever heard of). I don't know a human being in his/her right mind who would gladly pay someone more for something offered by someone else at a lower price. The problem that SHOULD be examined here is the price difference. Why are American goods so much more expensive than imported goods? The answer lies in production and regulation of the industry producing the goods being marketed. As I mentioned above, the liberal dead hand of government has so driven down the purchasing power of the dollar, and crippled American business, American products have a very hard time competeing with foreign products.
The time for blind American loathing is over. If America is going to survive this economic downturn, it is going to have to stop accepting the bullying of opponents and liberals from outside and inside. We have to confidently unburden our businesses, relieve our debt, and stabalize ourselves or we will fall. The blame America thought processes like those of vlklingboy11 are the very nails in the coffin. We cannot continue to think like this, or continue to allow it to be spoken uncontested.
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Monday
Can you provide me any evidence of "liberals" specifically causing a business to fail. If you can't, which you won't be able to any more so than conservatives causing a business to fail, I will just conclude your hate of "liberals" as bias.
Perhaps the packages they give to failing businesses, encouraging them to lend badly because they know the federal government will come and yank from the fire... until they don't.
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324987
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Monday
Perhaps the packages they give to failing businesses, encouraging them to lend badly because they know the federal government will come and yank from the fire... until they don't.
You could make the argument that they saved businesses that were going to fail, doing the exact opposite of causing them to fail.
And then those business they saved from failing went and made bad decisions, losing jobs, possibly still failing or causing others to fail.
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324987
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Monday
It's a true example though. Many, many businesses took the cash given to them and gave it to the top executives as bonuses, and then proceeded to tank the company.
Note, I probably won't cite any of this. But if you haven't seen any of this (and you live in the U.S.), I would say you are incredibly oblivious.
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204878
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Post by
MyTie
I don't understand the way Americans use the term 'liberal'.
Favourable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
This would be accurate if you were living during the french revolution. Try this on for size:Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include social justice. It differs from classical liberalism in that it recognizes a legitimate role for the state in addressing economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Under social liberalism, the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual. Social liberal policies have been widely adopted in much of the capitalist world, particularly following the Second World War. Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left.
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Post by
HiVolt
The fact is that you speak english. That is because the US is the current major world empire
If the British Empire hadn't existed- most of the world wouldn't speak English today, more than likely. English being a trade language had nothing to do with America and everything to do with Britain. Sure, it's become more prevalent thanks to America, but we didn't start the fire. You have to give credit where credit is due.
Post by
wolfeyoung
. . . and so they spend money to lobby representatives to make those regulations more acceptable to their bottom line.
I just wanted to point out that lobbyist are not some evil organization. Blizzard has lobbies the government. Why? Game content ratings. If Blizzard didn't have those people there, then you'd have to 18 to buy WoW. Hell, some groups would like to have video games banned. The flip side is if no one lobbied against games, then you'd have game makers creating horribly violent games and then market them to children.
A lobbyist is no different than having a lawyer represent you in court. And I doubt anyone here would go to court and refuse to have a lawyer. Lobbyist represent a group to the government. Do you go to college? Your school has lobbyist. Do you like organic foods? They have lobbyist too.
One of the first lobby groups in Washington was in 1873, called the Woman's Christian Temperance Union, which many scholars feel was the first of the women's lib movement.
Yes, lobbyist can cause corruption in the system, but the also can prevent corruption too. But I feel that more good has came from them than bad, it is only that you'll hear about the bad and rarely hear of the good. A good government system is about checks and balance. Not one side dominating the other.
Post by
mindthegap5
Your manufacturing is outsourced for the same reason the UKs was a few decades ago.
It's because the minimum wage was introduced and then increased to the point where the cost to manufacture in your own country is too high so, to boost profits they move the manufacturing to indonesia etc where thay can pay people $2 a week instead of whatever the minumum wage i in america (it's £5.90ish per hour in england). which is a huge difference, (and has nothing to do with liberals), or would you prefer a smaller wage?
Post by
Patty
The fact is that you speak english. That is because the US is the current major world empire
If the British Empire hadn't existed- most of the world wouldn't speak English today, more than likely. English being a trade language had nothing to do with America and everything to do with Britain. Sure, it's become more prevalent thanks to America, but we didn't start the fire. You have to give credit where credit is due.
Indeed. *adjusts monocle, butters scone and sips tea with a protuding pinky finger* Really, the clue is in the name.
English
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mindthegap5
^ english is from england :)
Post by
Monday
I dun speak 'Merican guyz.
Post by
MyTie
Your manufacturing is outsourced for the same reason the UKs was a few decades ago.
It's because the minimum wage was introduced and then increased to the point where the cost to manufacture in your own country is too high so, to boost profits they move the manufacturing to indonesia etc where thay can pay people $2 a week instead of whatever the minumum wage i in america (it's £5.90ish per hour in england). which is a huge difference, (and has nothing to do with liberals), or would you prefer a smaller wage?
I wouldn't mind a smaller wage, if the buying power of the dollar hadn't have been crippled. I'd date a 90% pay cut if the dollar was worth 90% more. This would also mean that the dollar could procure foreign goods cheaper, and exporting the goods would be more valuable, which would make manufacturing in the US a more profitable proposal.
The reason this cannot happen is because the government keeps borrowing against the value of the dollar, which is driving its value down, and businesses out.
Instead of just accepting the argument at the face value of 'things are cheaper elsewhere', ask WHY things are cheaper elsewhere. The reason can always be traced back to burdensome governmental regulation and irresponsible governmental spending.
Post by
Pwntiff
On the side-topic of English. During it's peak the sun (almost literally) did not set on the British Empire. Britain had territories on six of the seven continents. That is why the use of English is so widespread. On the other hand, both Mandarin Chinese and Spanish have more native speakers than English, although Spanish barely leads English and English surpasses it when you include second-language speakers.
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