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Post by
YesterdaysHero
With Arthas out of the way, and the new Fordragon running shop up there, I presume it's still Arthas running around in charge of DK's everywhere?
In terms of Lore, it'd be Fordragon raising the DK's, no?
*Edit for posterity*
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Post by
Patty
Bolvar is the Lich King, not Tirion Fordring. However, I don't think we will be seeing any newly resurrected DKs anymore, especially with Sylvanas employing several of the val'kyr; the scourge's key necromancers. Mainly because Bolvar is restricting the scourge, until he goes corrupt and we need to kill him for
WotLK: take two
, anyway.
Post by
GVHB
Weren't the Val'kyr only able to resurrect other Vykrul? I doubt they were the key necromancers of the Scourge.
Post by
Patty
Weren't the Val'kyr only able to resurrect other Vykrul? I doubt they were the key necromancers of the Scourge.
It's the val'kyr doing the resurrection for the forsaken.
Post by
GVHB
So, only does with the Forsaken have that limitation and all the other Val'kyr don't?
Post by
Patty
So, only does with the Forsaken have that limitation and all the other Val'kyr don't?
Eh, worded confusingly, but I'll go with it. :P
Perhaps the val'kyr
can
only resurrect the vykrul. However, humans are mutations and descendants of the vykrul, remember. Therefore, humans can also be resurrected by the val'kyr.
Post by
GVHB
Yeah, but still they cannot resurrect any non-human non-vykrul individual (or, at least, it takes much more effort to do so on non-human non-vykrul individuals, as the Val'kyr were able to resurrect Sylvanas after Godfrey head-shotted her).
So the "key necromancers" of the Scourge are (or were) the members of the Cult of the Damned (obviously, after the assault on Icecrown Citadel by the Ashen Verdict, most of the Cult must have been wiped out).
Post by
Patty
The val'kyr are capable of mass resurrection, something that I don't think the Cultists are highly adept at.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Remember during the death knight beginning quest line the Val'kyr could resurrect you if you died. Also, being reborn as forsaken is really more of a partial rather than full resurrection anyway so maybe their abilities have been scaled down after the death of Arthas.
Post by
GVHB
I think of the Val'kyr resurrecting Death Knights at the Scarlet Enclave more like a game mechanic than actual lore.
Post by
YesterdaysHero
So it's unknown who at this point is bringing back DK's?
Figured Fordragon would pretty much take up where Arthas left off, minus the whole 'Kill everything' thing.
Post by
GVHB
Bolvar is the Jailer of the Damned, his purpose is to prevent the Scourge to become the world-threatening menace it once was. He doesn't have to make anymore undead, he just have to keep the ones remaining in check.
Also, lore-wise, all the player Death Knights were freed from the control of the Lich King at the same time.
Post by
Adamsm
Technically, any 'new' Death Knights are still those who were part of the mass army during that 6 months before the start of Wrath, whether they are current races or new ones. During one of the many many quests in Icecrown, you assist a Gnome Deathknight revive a fallen Argent Crusader as a new Death Knight...seeing as he had been torn to shreds heh. So, technically, the Ebon Blade can raise up new ones if they really want to..but don't see them being too keen on that.
As for Bolvar, he's 'controlling' the Scourge, but not actively raising up new recruits....of course, that won't stop those who have gone rogue since then, such as Gandling and the new Baron of Stratholme.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Good point though would it have been possible for other Death Knights and agents of the scourge to have broken away during that short time when there was no Lich King at all? Those few moments when the crown was being passed or was there too little time for anyone to effectively break away before control was reasserted?
The Ebon Blade may begin recruiting more members when the old ones start dying out if they see a purpose to their organizations continued existence as they are somewhat amoral after all.
Post by
GVHB
That happened to the Val'kyr that sided with Sylvanas, after the death of Arthas they recovered their free will and joined the Forsaken.
Post by
Adamsm
they are somewhat amoral after all.Not really; they were united in their desire to eradicate the Scourge, but unlike the Forsaken, they didn't go nuts and start attacking everyone heh. But, just like the Forsaken, there are those among the Knights who just want to live as they were as best they can, and I'm sure there are those who have retired to a peaceful life since....or at least, tried to, till the world shattered under them.
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Post by
Adamsm
Of course, nothing is stopping the Scourge from making new Death Knights. One of the quests in the Eastern Plaguelands revolves around saving a Paladin from such a fate. So it's always possible that in the future Blizz may revamp the Death Knights' starting area to take this into account.
Probably not; again, the Death Knight starting area, no matter what expansion your playing, will occur 6 months before Wrath every time.
Post by
Rankkor
from a lore POV; every single event in the scarlet enclave happened exactly 6 months before WOTLK, and thus Arthas was still the lich king, and all of that jizz.
also from a lore POV, the scourge itself is nearly dieing, and only the cult of the damned is barely keeping it running, most of the upper echelon is dead already, and most of their forces in northrend are disbanded. Hell, the scourge is so weakened now that EPL has barely any trace of them left.
as to why there are worgen and goblin DK's, this was already explained, these specific Worgen and Goblin DK's already existed in the past, and were raised even before those 2 races joined the horde and alliance.
Worgen DKs arent from gilneas, they were some of the worgens from arugal in shadowfang keep that the scourge killed and brought to the ebon hold, and goblin DKs arent from the bilgewater cartel, but from the steamweedle cartel.
we simply have to asume that when the Ebon hold landed on the enclave, the scourge scouts brought all manner of corpses from every sapient race in azeroth there, so even if we haven't seen them, tehre's also pandaren Dks, Tuskkar DKs, Furbolg DKs, Naga Dks, hell, maybe even Murloc DKs ("Come over hereMRGLLMLRMGLLGMLRLMMGLR")
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