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Holy crap man heroics are hard tone it down maybe?
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Post by
MonkeyDLuffy
I can barely hold 2 or more I have to CC all mobs, And if i try to pull 4 mobs with shield-wall+last stand=Wipe, maybe down tone heroics? even with a item level of 344 there a friggin pain seriously, LOL HEROIC DEADMINES for the first time last night 1 hour and 30mins, you know what would be good if heroics were like LK tank and spank AOE and raids were the equal to the toughness of 60 nax
Post by
RPGplayer713
I think the intention is difficulty. I frankly enjoy the difficulty in it, as Wrath heroics were pretty boring to do. The ONLY problem I have with difficulty is if somebody is stupid, I have a hard time healing them. Because of this, I've resolved to only run heroics as a healer with people I know and/or can communicate with more effectively.
If everybody could do heroics as fast as they could last month right now in Cata, the game would get incredibly boring and old really really fast, imo.
Post by
Treskol
I can barely hold 2 or more I have to CC all mobs
Intentional.
And if i try to pull 4 mobs with shield-wall+last stand=Wipe
This isn't Wrath.
LOL HEROIC DEADMINES for the first time last night 1 hour and 30mins,
About right at this gear level.
you know what would be good if heroics were like LK tank and spank AOE
lolwrathkiddie.
and raids were the equal to the toughness of 60 nax
Raids are in a good place right now. Stuff like Halfus challenges.
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Post by
MonkeyDLuffy
I can barely hold 2 or more I have to CC all mobs
Intentional.
And if i try to pull 4 mobs with shield-wall+last stand=Wipe
This isn't Wrath.
LOL HEROIC DEADMINES for the first time last night 1 hour and 30mins,
About right at this gear level.
you know what would be good if heroics were like LK tank and spank AOE
lolwrathkiddie.
and raids were the equal to the toughness of 60 nax
Raids are in a good place right now. Stuff like Halfus challenges.
I'm not a wrath kiddie, I never tanked in wrath only dpsed My time in wrath was mostly in arena and ICC at most
Post by
Treskol
Then why would you want a return to facerolling Heroics? They're supposed to be 'heroic' not faceroll x and collect your lewtz.
Post by
MonkeyDLuffy
Then why would you want a return to facerolling Heroics? They're supposed to be 'heroic' not faceroll x and collect your lewtz.
Why not? it should be a stepping stone to collect gear and raid, Its not that impossible to do them but its pretty tough for a new guy starting out to get his item level high
Post by
Treskol
....What? Heroics were NEVER challenging. What they were was an AoE grind-fest and free loot. They were not hard and consequently not fun, it was just free loot.
Now Heroics give you a wider berth on different moves, like CC, mana is tight for healers so they have to be resourceful, and tanks need to be on the ball at all times to check the CC'd mobs and keeping agro.
They now do the function they did back in Burning Crusade: they don't just provide you with gear for raids, they
prepare
you for raids. This will, ultimately, improve a lot of peoples experiences with the game.
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Nipah
Then why would you want a return to facerolling Heroics? They're supposed to be 'heroic' not faceroll x and collect your lewtz.
Why not? it should be a stepping stone to collect gear and raid, Its not that impossible to do them but its pretty tough for a new guy starting out to get his item level high
They are a stepping stone.
Let's go ahead and say that regular dungeons rate a 5 on a scale of 1-10. Quests generally rate a 2-3. Heroics would rate a 7, raids would be a 9, and heroic raids would be an 11.
Why should heroics be as easy as regular dungeons? They're meant to help you gear up, sure... but they're also meant to help you get used to things getting harder.
Post by
buzz3070
Then why would you want a return to facerolling Heroics? They're supposed to be 'heroic' not faceroll x and collect your lewtz.
Why not? it should be a stepping stone to collect gear and raid, Its not that impossible to do them but its pretty tough for a new guy starting out to get his item level high
They are a stepping stone.
Let's go ahead and say that regular dungeons rate a 5 on a scale of 1-10. Quests generally rate a 2-3. Heroics would rate a 7, raids would be a 9, and heroic raids would be an 11.
Why should heroics be as easy as regular dungeons? They're meant to help you gear up, sure... but they're also meant to help you get used to things getting harder.
This is my more restrained view on it.
Post by
Porcell
If you think heroics are hard, don't even think about raiding.
I would laugh so much watching some of the PuG heroic baddies trying to raid. Oh man...
Post by
wobbuffet
OMG naw i haz to plei gaim nawt just spem on cd whail watc TV OMG OMG game teiks tiem to plei! me thought me dont need to spent tiem on geim to plei it
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Treskol
OMG naw i haz to plei gaim nawt just spem on cd whail watc TV OMG OMG game teiks tiem to plei! me thought me dont need to spent tiem on geim to plei it
Win.
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Post by
DarkOpeth
Luffy, please, quiet, and quiet down now. SO MANY of us are SO damn glad that stuff is challenging for once, easiness and smooth playability is fun, but after 2 years of "LOLOLOL-PULL-8-PACKS-CONSECRATE-PEW-PEW-LOOT", we welcome the change.
Yeah its quite a stunner having to figure out that you might actually have to use CC, cooldowns and tactics, aint it?
Post by
Nipah
If you do pulls correctly (CC, interrupts, dispells), they are a joke. If you do bosses perfectly, they are trivial. If you think heroics are too hard, you're not doing it right.
I'm not saying heroics are
easy
, they're just not as hard as people make them out to be
once you know what to do.
For that reason, I don't think I'll be using LFD for heroics for another month. I'm tired of getting dps that do 5k on bosses
and
stand in bad stuff.
My first H-Deadmines was just over 2 hours because no one in my group (all guildies) had done it before. It was awesome and we loved it (hurray for progression!).
Yeah, I had to hammer away at a tank in order to get them to let me sap some mobs in dungeons after we kept wiping (the adepts that constantly spam heal in lost city I believe). Instead, everyone kept breaking my CC, and I then took it upon myself to simply lock down the adept while everyone focused on the other mob (which was constantly going back to full health thanks to OP healing). Sure, I took some agro, took some hits, had to waste some cooldowns, but we didn't wipe, and when we rolled across the next group, which had TWO adepts, we suddenly got marks for hex and sap.
*sighs*
I hate when I hear "This isn't heroic, we don't need CC", and then we wipe because some of the mobs have annoying abilities. Sure, we don't NEED CC, but it sure as hell helps... and it doesn't slow anything down greatly!
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